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Originally Posted by JRMichler
After suffering through undergrad thermodynamics, the professor was kind enough to translate the laws of thermodynamics into English.
There are three laws of thermodynamics.
First law: You can't win.
Second law: You can't even break even.
Third law: You can't get out of the game.
The laws of thermodynamics are laws of nature. They cannot be broken. They are why HHO cannot work. They are why any scheme involving a generator on the front wheel driving a motor on the rear wheel cannot work. And they are why DWB helps hybrids get better MPG.
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Well, it is a sympathetic way to say the laws. However, not being an expert, I have a different opinion, thinking we want to properly test yield results.
First Law: "You canīt win". I would say it is false, we all win using our otto or diesel cars. There is a catch: we take chemical energy from oil.
Second Law: "You canīt even break even". False, we may break even, eventually. This would happen if the energy we use to compress air-gasoline or air and inject diesel is equal to the energy we get out of combustion of these. The engine may spin, but it wouldnīt pull anything. In fact, when real world engines fail, some of them behave like that!
Third Law: "You canīt get out of the game". I think this is true. At least so far. And I donīt see ways to get out in the foreseeble future. But, we may say that someone may create (or discover I should say) new rules for the game, that may open new spaces.
With respecto to HOH, I think it works differently to gas or diesel but it provides energy as well from combustion of H. It also takes energy from a battery to electrolize water into H and O and H, which we can burn in the engine (Otto or diesel). The energy we can get out of HOH seems to be less than we need to electrolize the water.
When we start a petrol or diesel engine we are doing very similarly to a HOH generator: we take energy from a battery to make the thing work. The difference is that combustion of gas or diesel yields a lot more energy than needed to rotate and compress, so we can shut off the electric motor and stop pullying energy from battery.
I constructed two HOH generators. First was very simple and produced a lot of bubbles of gas, which I injected into air input of my diesel engine. However, engine lower their rpms. Current taken out of the battery was about 30 Amps.
Then I constructed a second generator, which produced at least 5 times as much gas as the first, while consuming only 20 Amps. It has a lot more surface, was made of special steel, had a pump to push gas out of the generator (otherwise it fulls the generator with gas). This generator was made of 11 cells of 1,25 V each, which is a lot more efficient.
When connected, the engine lowered their rpms, showing me that even with this beauty, energy spent was higher than energy generated. We may say that efficiency of this device is less than 100%.
But, I donīt see any "a priori" reason why it couldnīt generate more than what it spent. Maybe if we can produce HOH by other means, not conventional electrolysis, we may obtain a higher yield, as with gas or diesel engines.
What do you think?
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I don't really know how either. A bit scared to touch the alternator at this point. I'm still at the crude stage myself: tank-fill-up and odometer for mpg-measuring. Hopefully I can add some good data here at some point!
