The hybrid ticking time bomb

[redpoint5]

How have the Gen III plug-in batteries (lithium ion) been holding up?

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by S Keith

... Plus those STUPID EV, ECO and POWER buttons added for consumer appeal... FFS. Each should be labeled "shorter battery life".

I've been using ECO mode on the 2013 hybrid Avalon (the car feels overpowered to me in normal mode.) But are you saying maybe I shouldn't use that mode???

[Phase]

I’m thankfully my Hyundai Ioniq has a LIFETIME warranty on its hybrid battery

[seuadr]

interesting discussion - my fusion hybrid just recently crossed 75k miles and got me wondering if there is any potential battery issues on the horizon.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by Phase

I’m thankfully my Hyundai Ioniq has a LIFETIME warranty on its hybrid battery

Any idea if that will extend to a second owner?

Originally Posted by https://myioniq.com/hyundai-ioniq-warranty/

Also noteworthy is that the IONIQ battery warranty only applies to the original owner. So far, we’ve been unable to find out what, if any, sort of battery warranty applies to a future owner.

[S Keith]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

How have the Gen III plug-in batteries (lithium ion) been holding up?

I have no insight to that market. FWIW, I encountered a Ford Fusion Hybrid Energi that normally have about a 20 mile EV range. After 5 years and 70K miles, it's EV range degraded to 7 miles.

Heat is a killer.

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

Any idea if that will extend to a second owner?

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/ass...-best-warranty

10yr/100K

8yr/80K is a federal minimum for HEV and PHEV. They don't apply to BEV.

[Snax]

Interesting to note that most of the older hybrids in this auction show "BATTERY SYSTEM ISSUES". Only the 2007 or newer don't list that, but I'd be hesitant when it comes to age in general.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by Snax

Interesting to note that most of the older hybrids in this auction show "BATTERY SYSTEM ISSUES". Only the 2007 or newer don't list that, but I'd be hesitant when it comes to age in general.

There's a 2008 Ford hybrid on that list that says "hybrid battery failure, will need towed."

[S Keith]

Originally Posted by Snax

Interesting to note that most of the older hybrids in this auction show "BATTERY SYSTEM ISSUES". Only the 2007 or newer don't list that, but I'd be hesitant when it comes to age in general.

There is no cut-off line. 04-09 represent substantial risk. 08-09 are higher in hot climates. They have a tendency for the batteries to physically leak and disable the car.

Expect another $4-5K in repairing auction G2 Prius. Assume bad battery and ABS actuator.

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

There's a 2008 Ford hybrid on that list that says "hybrid battery failure, will need towed."

More often than not, the FEH/MMH simply need a recharge. 05-08 have a built-in jump starter that allows on-board charging from the 12V (best if done attached to a running jump vehicle). 09+ do not have the jump starter and must be disassembled and charged. I do 1-2 dozen a year for folks that let them sit until they discharge. Pandemic had me particularly busy with 09-10. Had 4 on site at one time.

[Isaac Zachary]

Ya, mine also may need an engine block (need to find out why it burns oil, could be just a PCV valve hopefully) and a catalytic converter (in a California compliant state).

I have a 6 cell NiMH charger and a capacity tester. I tested all the modules and one just wouldn't stop acting like it had a flat cell. I replaced that one and two others that had the lowest capacity with three newer modules. I haven't driven it enough to really see how it'll react with the newer modules.