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Old 12-13-2010, 05:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yes thats true if your using the amperage and a lot in order to split it.. even if you install un upgraded 200amp alt. But for what you put in the enine it would out weigh the Alternator lowering MPG on your car.
You can't just "create" energy from nothing. The more amps you are using from the alternator the more the engine has to work to generate the electricity. Also the electrolysis of water to hydrogen is only 50-80% efficient and most alternators peak at 60% efficiency.

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Old 12-13-2010, 05:50 PM   #22 (permalink)
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If you are imploding hydrogen atoms, you must be talking about nuclear fusion. Like a hydrogen bomb.

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Oooooohhhhhhhhh, that's what he meant by a HYDROGEN engine......

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Old 12-13-2010, 06:58 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Cant create energy from nothing..that right BUT....

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You can't just "create" energy from nothing. The more amps you are using from the alternator the more the engine has to work to generate the electricity. Also the electrolysis of water to hydrogen is only 50-80% efficient and most alternators peak at 60% efficiency.


Your absolutly right on that and im not doing anything like that. As there is potential energy in the water molecule that you must extract and you can do it while having higher efficientcy You would be looking at 300% increase of energy released from the water molecule. You need to think of other current flow. But like I said if you think one sided like this with amps..you won't get what you want unless you have an on demand system to control the heat issue
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Old 12-13-2010, 07:05 PM   #24 (permalink)
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If you are imploding hydrogen atoms, you must be talking about nuclear fusion. Like a hydrogen bomb.

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Sorry for the missunderstanding, what is ment above is that you have to implode the water molecule in such a way that you release the potential energy by destroying the atom
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Old 12-13-2010, 07:28 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Your absolutly right on that and im not doing anything like that. As there is potential energy in the water molecule that you must extract and you can do it while having higher efficientcy You would be looking at 300% increase of energy released from the water molecule. You need to think of other current flow. But like I said if you think one sided like this with amps..you won't get what you want unless you have an on demand system to control the heat issue
Cold fusion? 300% increase? That's not nearly enough energy, you are off by six or seven orders of magnitude.
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Cold fusion? 300% increase? That's not nearly enough energy, you are off by six or seven orders of magnitude.


Sorry are we lost here, I'm not talking about Cold Fusion. Taking about something different with A water molecule in which excite it to a point where you break the atom a part and get the engergy to release to be used and you have your Hydrogen to use as fuel
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Sorry for the missunderstanding, what is ment above is that you have to implode the water molecule in such a way that you release the potential energy by destroying the atom
Your spelling as well as your understanding of atoms and molecules seems to be somewhat lacking.

Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. Electrolysis separates the hydrogen from the oxygen.

A liter of hydrogen gas contains the same amount of energy as 1.5 wooden matches when they are lit.

The process of breaking down the water molecule into the three separate atoms that constitute the molecule consumes more energy than you can recover by igniting and recombining the three back into water. Even if you could break them down with no energy loss whatsoever (impossible) then the higher residual temperature of the water after your process was complete would mean you would not recover all of the heat energy of recombination.

Study Carnot's Laws of energy conversion and maybe you will understand why you are suggesting the impossible, like spinning a wheel on an axle and it would speed up instead of slowing down.

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You'll need an exhaust cooler and condensate pump to run at vapor pressure. Gains less that 14 psi, probably not worth the effort.
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You'll need an exhaust cooler and condensate pump to run at vapor pressure. Gains less that 14 psi, probably not worth the effort.
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No due respect needed.. I just said what I said the way I said it so i didnt have to get all techy with it.. So sorry if sounds like crap.. but it is all possible
If it's possible then do it, prove us wrong, you will be famous.
If you can't do it, or can't give us other proof that it has been done then you are just making your self look foolish.

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