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Old 12-09-2010, 07:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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hydrogen burns quicker than gas, the positive effect they see amounts to nothing more than you can achieve with full control of the timing/advance map. Pick any one of those heaps they're tried this on, megasquirt it for EFI, see even better results.

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Old 12-13-2010, 08:44 AM   #12 (permalink)
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You will not break the LAWS OF THERMOdynamics

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To prove a mpg increase you'll have to break the laws of thermodynamics. Not gonna happen. The energy needed to make the hydrogen is far more than the energy you get from burning the hydrogen. Go figure...
I have to correct you on the above statement. You will not have to break that law or even come close doing it. As you should know that water broken down has energy, and lots more the gasoline. When you break down the atoms and and implode it you get a great I MEAN GREAT source of energy that you can use to run the car. And its not that hard, You can use the existing fuel line that runs to the injectors. Keep pressure at small load 30 PSI and 50 on full run. with a v8 350HP truck for example. For that to work to you will need to retard the timming to get the injectors to shoot in enough fuel

You have to also crack it even more then just electrifying the water if you want to realease the huge amount of stored energy...
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:47 AM   #13 (permalink)
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there not interested in catching on

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its so amazing that every single manufacturer hasn't caught on.
Untill the auto companies and the oil companies can find away to make money on it .. won't happen massivly.. as there is vested intresest in CRap in efficient veihicles. Yeah they will slowly go up of there forced to..which they are. They can go 200mpg or more on gas alone if they wanted to. by the way. any car now Fuel injected or Carbed can get 200MPG if they really wanted to.

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Old 12-13-2010, 09:07 AM   #14 (permalink)
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In order to convert water into hydrogen you need electricity. This energy would be taken from the alternator (50% efficient) which would make the engine work harder and reduce your MPGs.
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:20 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The can go 200mpg or more on gas alone if they wanted to. by the way.
You use 25% of the energy in gasoline to move you down the road so in order to make a 50mpg car get 200mpg you would need to use 100% of the energy in the fuel, as it is 75% of the energy is being turned in to heat, so you would end up with an engine that runs cold!
I've split water both in a jar and with what I believe was a Swiss built electrolyzer, it takes massive amounts of energy to split water and what you get out of it is not that great, hydrogen is also not a dense fuel, so it takes up alot of space and it just does not work.
If you have some new great idea that you think will work then you should go and make it a reality for your self, it will keep you out of trouble but you are going to have a hard time making breaking the laws of physics.
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Hello? are we listening.. you will not be breaking the laws of Physics.

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You use 25% of the energy in gasoline to move you down the road so in order to make a 50mpg car get 200mpg you would need to use 100% of the energy in the fuel, as it is 75% of the energy is being turned in to heat, so you would end up with an engine that runs cold!
I've split water both in a jar and with what I believe was a Swiss built electrolyzer, it takes massive amounts of energy to split water and what you get out of it is not that great, hydrogen is also not a dense fuel, so it takes up alot of space and it just does not work.
If you have some new great idea that you think will work then you should go and make it a reality for your self, it will keep you out of trouble but you are going to have a hard time making breaking the laws of physics.
It is quite possible stop feeding into to the lies you are told or read about on hy_rog_n powered car. It does take great energy to split water but you need to understand Voltage and amperage and how to to make them work efficeintly to get what you want to split the Hyd_ _gen and water to make the fuel. you also to have to IMPLODE the atoms too. They hydrogen takes up space if you have no where for it to move or made on demand, which is what you need to do!.
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In order to convert water into hydrogen you need electricity. This energy would be taken from the alternator (50% efficient) which would make the engine work harder and reduce your MPGs.

Yes thats true if your using the amperage and a lot in order to split it.. even if you install un upgraded 200amp alt. But for what you put in the enine it would out weigh the Alternator lowering MPG on your car.
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It is quite possible stop feeding into to the lies you are told or read about on hy_rog_n powered car. It does take great energy to split water but you need to understand Voltage and amperage and how to to make them work efficeintly to get what you want to split the Hyd_ _gen and water to make the fuel. you also to have to IMPLODE the atoms too. They hydrogen takes up space if you have no where for it to move or made on demand, which is what you need to do!.
With all due respect, you are speaking nonsense.
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:42 PM   #19 (permalink)
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With all due respect, you are speaking nonsense.
No due respect needed.. I just said what I said the way I said it so i didnt have to get all techy with it.. So sorry if sounds like crap.. but it is all possible
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Old 12-13-2010, 05:08 PM   #20 (permalink)
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If you are imploding hydrogen atoms, you must be talking about nuclear fusion. Like a hydrogen bomb.

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