Hydrogen Generator Experiment

[Nerys]

Nice !!! PLEASE keep us updated !! its nice that the 40mpg rating is legit!! I just wish the hatchback was not $3k more !! :-(

[gone-ot]

...we anxiously await detailed A-B-A test results done using the Scientific Test Methods.

[Nerys]

meh if he consistantly gets over 45mpg WE KNOW something is worth looking at :-) since thats his highest so far.

THEN we can worry about testing style :-)

[t vago]

All he is doing is lean burn with a rather dangerous form of water injection into the combustion chamber. I fail to see what the excitement is all about.

[MetroMPG]

I'm considering locking this thread. These HHO topics have a solid history of generating a lot more heat than light.

There are many other forums out there that would gladly welcome another thread on the subject and I heartily encourage people to go find those sites to discuss it.

[Nerys]

how about we try not to argue about it and just WAIT to see what his result are.

Does hydrogen work? yes. Will THIS work? not likely no. but instead of us bickering this that this that lets let the guy do it and see what happens.

[MetroMPG]

And then argue about the validity of the results of someone with zero history / credibility on the forum?

Doesn't take a crystal ball to see where this is going.

[euromodder]

Originally Posted by wolverine12

I am averaging 41.3mpg (pre-booster) with a best of 45.3 mpg.

Why not start a fuel log here on EM (or link to one elsewhere).

It'll add more credits to any future claims

I have found the Hydrogen booster principle intriguing.

You'll find a lot of sceptics here regarding that intriguing principle

Generating H2 and O2 from water is energy intensive.
Doing so with the electrical setup in a car powered by a combustion engine, is rather inefficient.

I will post the real world results and pics here what ever the results.

It'd be nice to see someone actually posting results of such a mod - usually it's just claims.

[Nerys]

then lock it when that happens. after we get his results :-) hehe at least it will be one more data point.

[t vago]

Meh. Like I said, this is nothing more than a dangerous (and rather inefficient) water injection method to support lean burn.

Say you provide 1000 watts of mechanical power to drive the alternator for this setup. At 60% efficiency, you now have 600 watts of electrical power to split water into H2 and O2 molecules. Then, you take that 600 watts at about 95% efficiency (wire and probe resistance, etc.) and get 570 watts equivalent of H2 and O2 flow. Never mind about the chemical processes involved - somebody else here can go into details if it suits them.

Now you burn this 570 watts worth of HHO (or Brown's gas, or whatever you want to call it) fuel flow in the engine, at about 20% efficiency. Congratulations! You just spent 1000 watts to generate 140 watts of motive power! In other words, you just wasted 860 watts!

I will say this, though. Water injection has been proven by NACA to allow lean air fuel mixes without detonation, and had been used extensively in World War II. GM even introduced a form of water injection with an 1960's vintage turbocharged car.

I'll keep following this thread for as long as it's open. Maybe something will come of it.