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Old 08-08-2013, 06:48 PM   #141 (permalink)
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However, "85th" isn't gospel or on one of the Ten Commandments tablets:
No one said it was. There is no need for hyperbole.

The whole point is that if most the people are exceeding the speed limit, the problem is with the speed limit. But is some states the PSL will never be raised, for any reason, because certain factions prefer that it remain unreasonably low.


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as noted, in my state you will be cited at quite a bit less than 10 over. Regardless, I don't think anybody behind me will pony up the dough for my ticket should I speed up enough to appease them (if that is even possible). That being the case, I'm not going to expose myself to fines and fees and cavity searches and time wasted at roadside to appease those who don't have a stake in my finances. I don't let strangers handle my luggage at airports before it's checked in either.
No one suggested that you should. But trends and practices in other states can and will vary from your state and may differ from your opinion about it.

 
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:54 PM   #142 (permalink)
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I absolutely have a right to go 55 in a 65, just as someone has a right to do 65 in a 65.
No you don't. There is no reasonable expectation to allow you block traffic no matter how special you think you are.
 
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No you don't. There is no reasonable expectation to allow you block traffic no matter how special you think you are.
Remember this post you made? Reference the bolded words below. Part a clearly states that a person can drive a slow speed, impeding and blocking normal traffic so long as that speed is in compliance with the law. That gives bestclimb the right to drive 55 in a 65, assuming the minimum speed limit is at least 55 mph. You should really give up trying to convince everyone you are right. Clearly, even by your own evidence, you are wrong on the legality of the issue.


V C Section 22400 Minimum Speed Law

(a) No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, unless the reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or in compliance with law.

No person shall bring a vehicle to a complete stop upon a highway so as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic unless the stop is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(b) Whenever the Department of Transportation determines on the basis of an engineering and traffic survey that slow speeds on any part of a state highway consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, the department may determine and declare a minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle, except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law, when appropriate signs giving notice thereof are erected along the part of the highway for which a minimum speed limit is established.

Subdivision (b) of this section shall apply only to vehicles subject to registration.

Amended Ch. 364, Stats. 1979. Effective January 1, 1980.
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No you don't. There is no reasonable expectation to allow you block traffic no matter how special you think you are.
Hey tjts, if you can get law changed I will comply. The problem will be, that you will have to let me know in advance how fast you intend to drive each day so I stay safely out of your way. Keep us posted with your legislative progress.
 
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(b) Whenever the Department of Transportation determines on the basis of an engineering and traffic survey that slow speeds on any part of a state highway consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, the department may determine and declare a minimum speed limit below which no person shall drive a vehicle, except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law, when appropriate signs giving notice thereof are erected along the part of the highway for which a minimum speed limit is established.
Make sure you stake your claim when you see a survey counter. Be civil and courteous though. Extreme readings will be eliminated with statistics. A collective economical movement could create a significant impact on minimum laws.
Even with this clause it states the "except when necessary for safe operation or compliance with the law."
Safety trumps arrogance when the law is concerned.

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One of the reasons i started this thread: You save a significant amount of fuel going 55mph on the highway. It's been said that setting the national limit to 55mph again would go a long way towards energy independence. There is a group of people unrelated to Ecommoder that does it for that reason. "I drive 55" is a simple thing they do to use less oil. Wouldn't you too if you could get near 50mpg at 55mph?

I'm going to be taking a 300 mile trip later this month and i plan on driving 55mph the whole way. Hopefully i'll set some record trip numbers!

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Honestly, what do you expect from a community that seeks to maximize fuel economy? And what constitutes normal? As I mentioned before, the legal speed range on highways in my area are 40 mph to 70 mph. Anywhere in between is technically "normal flow". Where people disagree with you is that you believe the maximum speed limit is the required speed limit, and anyone going slower is now restricting traffic flow. Technically (and legally) anyone going below the minimum speed limit of 40 mph would be restricting traffic flow. I respect your choice to feel the public pressure to go the speed limit. But you can't tell me I am wrong for going 55 mph in a 70 mph zone, simply because it isn't what all the other drivers are doing.
Is "Peer Pressure" Another way of admitting "I won't rock the boat 'cause I'm scared of what might happen"? Not of what will happen, But what "Might" Happen? And is not at least some of that pressure actually just imagined? And isn't that saying "I fear"?
 
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No you don't. There is no reasonable expectation to allow you block traffic no matter how special you think you are.
Still clueless. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
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Out of all of the people actively contributing to the speed of this thread it appears tjts is one of the slowest. Shame. Holding up our collective thoughts with our expectations that they be responded to at a reasonable pace. Impeding our progress. Who does he think he is? I suggest he get off of this information highway since he can't keep up with the normal flow.

Back on topic... I have been trying to watch for any inconvenience of passing traffic all of this this week since I have been participating in this thread. At 55 R-lane in 65 PSL interstate highway it appears no one notices unless distracted by a phone or trying to pass on the right (remember I'm on the right). At 50 on same 65 PSL there are a few more that appear to get stuck from lack of attention but they are only inconvenienced for no more than 30 seconds until they realize they can pass if they want to. Not one horn honk. Not one gesture of any sort. The best part is when I see a willing line of followers who seem to acknowledge this casual economic pace. If they get bored they pull out and are on their way.

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No you don't. There is no reasonable expectation to allow you block traffic no matter how special you think you are.
I am not blocking traffic, I am traffic, just like every other vehicle on the road. It's got nothing to do with how special I may or may not think I am. You should refrain from Ad hominim as it does not make your point any stronger.

I never said there was a reasonable expectation to block traffic. I said I have a reasonable expectation to be able to drive at some speed between and including the legally defined maximum and minimum speeds. If, like most of the time there is ample opportunity to pass it is a complete non issue. Why do you continue to insist that it is or are you asserting that it is only an issue if there is not opportunity to pass?

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