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Old 05-12-2019, 04:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Illinois thinking about raising EV registration

I posted this link in the Fossil Fuel Free section but thought I'd post it here also for anyone else that wanted to read the article. $1000 a year to register an EV is highway robbery !!! I hope this never happens.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...509-story.html

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Solution: Put a tiny lawnmower engine in the car to power, uh, the windshield wipers. Then it's a hybrid, not an EV, right?

Seriously though, that is crazy. Wasn't the government supposed to be pushing for people to buy more EVs? What about the EV tax rebate?
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They would need to raise the gasoline and diesel fuel tax to around $2/ gallon to make it comparable. Pretty sure that isn't going to happen...

Another example of politicians getting out of their element and dabbling in math and economics.

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They would need to raise the gasoline and diesel fuel tax to around $2/ gallon to make it comparable.
Yeah, $1000 a year sounded like it was WAAAAYYY higher than a gas user would pay yearly in taxes.
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They are also thinking about raising the gas tax 25 cents (and diesel but I can't remember how much) and have tossed about the idea of a mileage tax. A mileage tax would hurt everyone except Chicagoans (as usual). With a total commute of 10 miles every day they have it easy and would pay minimal tax. A guy like me that has to drive 60 miles each way every day would pay through the nose.
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They are also thinking about raising the gas tax 25 cents (and diesel but I can't remember how much) and have tossed about the idea of a mileage tax. A mileage tax would hurt everyone except Chicagoans (as usual). With a total commute of 10 miles every day they have it easy and would pay minimal tax. A guy like me that has to drive 60 miles each way every day would pay through the nose.
Yes, I believe it was from $0.19 up to $0.44/gallon. A large increase, but still far less than $1000 for just about every driver on the road. Even taking into account the entirety of the fuel tax that EV's avoid would mean a gas vehicle owner would need to purchase 2272 gallons to be considered equal.

2272(G) x 25(mpg) = 56,800 miles/year......
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Yes, I believe it was from $0.19 up to $0.44/gallon. A large increase, but still far less than $1000 for just about every driver on the road. Even taking into account the entirety of the fuel tax that EV's avoid would mean a gas vehicle owner would need to purchase 2272 gallons to be considered equal.

2272(G) x 25(mpg) = 56,800 miles/year......
You have to subtract whatever the ICE registration costs over there.
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They are also thinking about raising the gas tax 25 cents (and diesel but I can't remember how much) and have tossed about the idea of a mileage tax. A mileage tax would hurt everyone except Chicagoans (as usual). With a total commute of 10 miles every day they have it easy and would pay minimal tax. A guy like me that has to drive 60 miles each way every day would pay through the nose.
Mileage Tax isn't that just placing the cost on the people who get the most benefit from the roads. It's not much different the paying tolls on roads. In Miami they keep converting roads to toll, its bill by plate. I bet the cost per mile is more than the less than $.01 per mile increase of $.25 per gallon would be @ 30 mpg.

Here in S FL they have opened toll "Express Lanes" the price increases as the traffic flow increases. The lanes do nothing but cause traffic bottlenecks as people try to get in and out of to these lanes across three or four lanes of traffic. Looks like there are more to come.

As far as taxing goes someone always feels that they are paying more than they should. Why should I pay school taxes when I have no kids in school? Maybe parents should be billed for service.
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These taxes have not been strongly opposed so expect more nonsense like this in other states.

There are very few EV owners and there is an active backlash going on,

EV owners for the most part believe they owe additional registration fees for some unknown reason (they don’t because of municipal substation taxes)
so are perfect whipping boys to lay down unnecessary fees without any real political backlash , until someone actively opposes these fines they will continue to become more outlandish.

Sadly some Tesla owners love high registration fees because it makes EVs exclusive, which furthers the false EV owners are all smug rich *******s narrative that the political folks making the fees want to believe.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...es#Post5084085


Any time I see these fees I am reminded about a local legislators comment on a similar tax

“Then hybrids and electric cars will be paying a lot more than they're paying now and that will wipe that smug look off their faces and maybe they'd actually use the pedal for a change.”

The above summarizes what these taxes are actually about
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Illinois did give then $4000 up front. Their gas tax is .19 plus 6.25% of the sale price so more like $.38/gallon. Part of the EV increase is to raise that to .44 and I don't know if they would also keep the 6.25%. That would mean the average mpg, 24.7, driven the average miles, 13,476, will be paying $477/year in registration and gas taxes. Now consider the average Tesla costs about twice the average car's MSRP and the income of the owner is probably even a greater disparity, and there you have it. Still that $4000 up front gets you the first 8 years with no extra cost. What Illinois should try instead is just putting the registration fee as a percentage of the value so say a $80,000 Tesla is $1000 but so is a $80,000 BMW. Then you can charge $10,000+/yr for a Bugatti and it makes complaining much harder. The problem is I bet all of those lawmakers drive $100,000 car themselves.

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