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Old 10-05-2008, 01:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Only the green cheese comes from the moon !
Think of all those "Food Miles" to get it your local supermarket. !

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Old 10-05-2008, 01:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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They should make farms on the top of hills so they can just attach food to zip wires for delivery
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If were not supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat ??

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Old 10-05-2008, 08:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Buy less, hunt more

I just got my first deer ever this weekend with my crossbow. My calculations are that it cost about $6 per pound, including buying the crossbow I've still got a tag left and my wife has her two so maybe by December venison will down to $1.50/lb in natures grocery store if we get lucky!
We cleaned and cut it ourselves and our two dogs got the internals, the spoilage near the entry/exit wounds, and will get all the bones eventually so not to much was wasted. You may argue how unhumane hunting is but it got to be a happy free deer 99.9999% of its life. How many industrially farmed animals get to do that?
Also I have to brag that we didn't buy anything at a grocery store in September except for breakfast cereal(i have an addiction), we had our own chickens, eggs, veggies from the garden, and milk and cheese from Wendy our goat. We still used items like coffee and tea previously bought from a grocery store but we picked apples at a local farm (best deal ever) for $0.35/lb and it took about a 1/2 hour to pick 60lbs without really even trying. Also going to the farmers market took care of everything else.
So anyways, it is possible to not really support industrial agriculture if you want to, for us its really a hobby so the extra time isn't a big deal.
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Hey IndyIan,

Sounds like you are doing your part.

I am with you about hunting. I do feel that it is better because the animals are wild, and essensially live a good free life.

If a person is against hunting, because they feel it is cruel, that person better be vegetarian, because our industrial meat practices are FAR worse.

I don't personally hunt, but have offered to help butcher in trade for meat.

Growing up, we ate FAR more venison than beef.
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I figure if I know or can find out easily where it came from then the meat is most likely fine to eat, it's not hard to get good locally raised food and it is often fresher, tastes better, cheaper and better for you.
If I get the time I want to try bow hunting this year, never done it before but it seems like a good skill to have and the deer are close enough to the house that I shouldn't have to go far and I already know what they've been eating.
I also have to recommend that if any of you hit a deer this winter with your car that you call it in and get a tag to keep it, otherwise you are just wasting food.
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In Ontario there is no distinction made between crossbows and vertical bows, so if you can use a crossbow in bow season I'd recommend that. It was hard enough just rotating in my tree stand without spooking the doe, I think if I had to stand and draw the deer would have left. Other than that, for the average Joe they are the same, pretty much limited to 30 yard shots unless you buy a super fast shooting X-bow or bow and practice alot. You still have to practice with a crossbow but using a scope makes it a bit easier to be consistent with less practice than a normal bow. This is my 3rd year hunting at all so its taken a while for me to actually get one.

Bennelson, hopefully we will be eating far more venison in the next year too, we had the backstraps that night I shot it and a couple striploin steaks last night. Its all been very very good! Tender and still has a bit of gamey flavour which I like. We were also amazed by how much fat was on the deer, I guess its been a good summer for them!
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I have not heard a good argument that poking a deer to death with a sharpened stick is anywhere near as humane as killing it quickly with a slug.


Just keep that in mind as you go trolling in the less meat thread
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I have not heard a good argument that poking a deer to death with a sharpened stick is anywhere near as humane as killing it quickly with a slug.
I guess that's all a part of the trade off for not having been raised in captivity, contained in small pens, and injected with growth hormones their entire lives before finally being marched to their humane slaughter.

Not that I have a big moral objection to livestock, but I believe free range beef, chicken etc to be a better method.

As for your objection to the method of death, remember a pain free death is pretty rare, regardless if it takes place in nature or in the slaughterhouse.

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