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Old 06-05-2012, 01:48 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:34 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Or you can keep arguing about perforations and miss the point of the thread again.. .
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No, I believe he said why mess with perforated material when you can use regular choroplast and get better results. Unless you have better, which seems unlikely.
Dude... we're still on whether or not it's perforated? wow.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Try making your point less obscurely then.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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No? You would rather mock than communicate?

Wow yourself.

Good luck with your "universal" belly pan. One size definitely does not fit all, or even one.
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What most miss in this 'business venture' discussions is :
What does the potential buyer look like? (financially & econamicly)
What are they actually driving?
Do they have disposablr $$?

Simply, They are cheap, drive pos and have no money.

Now on to the product design......

cant use coroplast for your actual product....to flimsy. have to have some preformed abs, like all the upscale cares already have.
That come off after 15-25k miles even under ideal conditions.
you'll need machinery to create the 'molds' and stamp out the product
You retail price would run $ 2-400
(if you dont understand 'retail pricing' I dont have 10hours to explain it)

Where are you going to advertise??????
not here, wrong demographics ......tooooo diy and cheap.

Bottom line, improving the nut behind the wheel is REQUIRED before most of this stuff really works. the placebo effect actually is working very sublety on our mods.

Ricers buy filters etc and then expect WHOOPPING results.....

most people buying a mod 'expect' it to work w/o any behavior change..... like diet pills
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No? You would rather mock than communicate?
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That's rich.... I'd rather mock than communicate? This entire thread has been me defending a concept against a nonsensical fixation on an incidental characteristic of material, rather than a constructive discussion about how one might improve the fuel-saving marketplace. Later dudes.
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What most miss in this 'business venture' discussions is :
What does the potential buyer look like? (financially & econamicly)
What are they actually driving?
Do they have disposablr $$?

Simply, They are cheap, drive pos and have no money.

Now on to the product design......

cant use coroplast for your actual product....to flimsy. have to have some preformed abs, like all the upscale cares already have.
That come off after 15-25k miles even under ideal conditions.
you'll need machinery to create the 'molds' and stamp out the product
You retail price would run $ 2-400
(if you dont understand 'retail pricing' I dont have 10hours to explain it)

Where are you going to advertise??????
not here, wrong demographics ......tooooo diy and cheap.

Bottom line, improving the nut behind the wheel is REQUIRED before most of this stuff really works. the placebo effect actually is working very sublety on our mods.

Ricers buy filters etc and then expect WHOOPPING results.....

most people buying a mod 'expect' it to work w/o any behavior change..... like diet pills
Thanks for being the first sensible person to engage this thread, I do appreciate the constructive reply.

I'm not business venturing anything. I started this thread to start a conversation on the idea, true, but I'm not in the mood to be an entrepreneur - just conversation. I really do think that certain shapes could be fairly common to many cars, enough to make a set of four or five panels of UHMWPE or some other stout material to fit "quarters" of an average car's underbelly with minor trimming, making the task less daunting to eco-minded apartment dwellers who may otherwise not ever get around to building their own election sign belly kit.

Anyway whatever, I figured this would be a fun conversational exercise, guess I was wrong, so hopefully a moderator deletes the thread. Or perforates it.
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That's rich.... I'd rather mock than communicate? This entire thread has been me defending a concept against a nonsensical fixation on an incidental characteristic of material, rather than a constructive discussion about how one might improve the fuel-saving marketplace. Later dudes.
If you don't have the patience to discuss your ideas without losing focus, you won't be successful at marketing to people either.

Good luck, and I sincerely mean that.
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Taking the idea from the dr schols where the consumer 'trims' the universal product is 'possible' but not practical. (imho)

The other problem is mounting points. There are none in the rear of most cars. granted there are places to mount to, but again, will the consumer be willing to do it?

I installed the rear factory spoiler on my Infiniti Q45. Came w/ unbeilievibkle instructions. Actully had a templat to lay on the trunck to drill the holes....very scary on a $60k car!!!

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