[Mod list discussion] Wiki up and running. Thread for suggestions to main mod list

[Weather Spotter]

I know that I can not get at the config files, a site admin might be able to.

[NachtRitter]

OK... that's an area I could help with, if I could get access to the config files (or if I can work with someone that has access).

FYI... Coast down testing thread: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...g-cd-8402.html

Also... looked at the link "about cars, aero, cd and stuff" and realized that's not what I meant... I recall we had some threads on how to determine frontal area (useful if there is no info from the manufacturer, or if the area has been changed by removal of mirrors or addition of front skirts), as well as threads discussing methods for determining Crr, which is needed in order to more accurately calculate the CdA. Of course, there's also good stuff that could be referenced from elsewhere (non-ecomodder content, if you can believe it ). Having an area to capture all the different "how to measure" stuff (and then a place for users to post the results) is what I was thinking.

[Weather Spotter]

I like your idea, I am busy for a few days but I might get to it in a while. Feel free to start a page how you want it

[saand]

Hi All,
Looks like lots of good contributions to the wiki, thanks to all that are contributing. Its good to see the page views at the bottom of the page increasing very day (almost 3000) although most of the views will be us changing things. I have made a few links from external wiki's which relate to efficiency so we might get some external visitors seeing this wiki as well.
I have also modified the main page paragraph to optimize it a bit for search terms so that the page might come up a bit higher on search engines.

Anyway the main purpose of this post was to see how people feel about some of the unproven mods. The following i am particularly interested in
- car cold start idle reduction, This one i have set up with all the info i have after some test results and put in some instructions.
I know this one has done a lot for my efficiency so id like to see it go up to the proven section but what does everyone else think? Others have suggested it could be integrated into the idle reduction but i think as it has a different mechanism and affect than just lowering the idle so it warrants its own mod.
Cold Start idle reduction - EcoModder

- another one is the change toe in to 0 mod
I think this page has enough generic info just needs some more user information but it appears to have a good theoretical basis and i dont plan to enter any more info in myself so i think it should also go up to the proven section
Toe In - EcoModder

So let us know what you think

[Weather Spotter]

As for the toe in mod, theoretically would say it works. As for real life all you are going to get for data is tank to tank, and very few people measure the difference for this mod (how far out of alignment was it?).

I would put it up into the proven section and run with it, we can move it back if too many people complain.

Keep up the good work!

[saand]

the toe in data was from a external tester. The stock car was apparently 1/8 inch toe in.

I would have tested this one myself to get data i trust a bit more but i have already modified my toe in when i changed my steering rack to a manual. Also my steering is a bit wobbly ever since i hit a curb at speed once so not sure mine is the best to test on.

If i see no objections ill push these both up.
NachtRitter thanks for adding some more info into the toe in mod as well.

[saand]

I pushed up the toe in and cold start idle reduction mod.

I also entered a how to into the torque converter lock up and pushed this up into the proven section. I have recently tried this one and i have no doubt it works for me

Not many people on here have automatics but for those that do feel free to add to the wiki page found here
Torque Converter Lockup - EcoModder

Also if anyone else has an more mods that aren't in the wiki mod list please post so we can make it a comprehensive list

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by saand

This method would be very time consuming but for me at least it would close off this whole acetone debate.

If you think so . (I don't! Outside of a perfect lab test, you'll never close that debate. Even then, people would argue the results.)

Also, I wonder if the language we're using on the wiki should be changed - eg: from "proven" & "unproven" to "demonstrated" or "not demonstrated".

For example: it seems common sense that a zero-toe alignment will reduce rolling resistance. Yet no EcoModder members have "proven" it. "Unproven" implies to me that it may yet be shown to be ineffective. Yet I thought the only mods that are on the EM list are ones that are understood to improve fuel economy.

Maybe it's just semantics.

[Weather Spotter]

I concur that the proven / non proven might be making claims over what the data supports.

How about "mods that consistently help most users" and "mods that give mixed results or hurt MPG"

[saand]

Good point, thanks for the comments,
now that i actually think about the titles the "proven" title is not very accurate. As it seems we are all agreeing here i changed the titles, they are current as follows

"Proven or unproven theoretically effective mods"
I considered breaking them out to different sections of proven and only theoretically effective mods but in the list users can see where a mod has been proven as it will have efficiency data associated with it.

I have also changed the unproven section to
"New Suggested Mods (Ideas or attempts) "
which is a bit more accurate than unproven mods.

I am open to suggestions of changing these titles or arrangement of the main page

Regarding acetone your probably right people will always argue the results and there is not much benefit in testing this one anyway.

Metrompg,
I wonder if we can get a link to the wiki mod list main page from the +65 efficiency mod list page. This might help new visitors see the detailed info and how toos. There are also some mod pages that have been filled out very comprehensively and therefore may warrant a link from the specific mod in the +65 efficiency mod list to the wiki. Any with efficiency data from a few users would be good cantidates