Which is more evil, meat, soy, gluten, or southpaws?

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I've already considered to try building a "chicken tractor" in the farm of a cousin, but I haven't gone there so often.

Chicken tractors are cool. Consider a round base with two tangential wheels and a post. The circle sweeps out a larger circle, then you can pull the post and move it to a new location.

[Xist]

A chicken tractor is essentially a chicken coop on wheels, which lets your poultry forage freely across the land, while protecting them from predators.

https://modernfarmer.com/2016/08/chicken-tractor/

I thought this was awesome until Mom pointed out they would spread salmonella across your yard. My sister has chickens and they change their shoes before and after working with them.

We are not invited to parties...

[freebeard]

Salmonella species are intracellular pathogens:[4] certain serotypes cause illness. Nontyphoidal serotypes can be transferred from animal-to-human and from human-to-human. They usually invade only the gastrointestinal tract and cause Salmonella food poisoning; symptoms resolve without antibiotics. However, in sub-Saharan Africa they can be invasive and cause paratyphoid fever, which requires immediate treatment with antibiotics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonella

Don't lick your shoes.

How to use a round chcken tractor on a rectangualr plot of ground:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlapping_circles_grid

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Xist

Just barbecue beans and rice!

There are already some vegans making bean steaks.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Most of these everything free diets are ridiculously unsustainable.
Because most of the fruits and veggies that are colorful, nutritious and flavorful are flown in by air at least most of the year. Then if they don't grow here they are brought in by air year round.
Unless you are just going to be eating beans and rice.

When I lived in Manaus, most of the fresh fruits and vegetables that were not native from the Amazon were air-freighted from São Paulo, while some bean varieties were sourced from the Northeast, and most of the rice eaten here in Brazil is grown in Rio Grande do Sul.

Originally Posted by Xist

Where do the beans and rice come from?

Beans are quite easy to plant, while rice on the other hand requires flooded areas. At least that sounds like an excuse to integrate organic rice and fish farming, which became quite common in Santa Catarina. I have already eaten Tilapia grown in rice fields.

[oil pan 4]

Salmonella is already everywhere in the environment.
By the time store bought chicken or their eggs are brought to market at least 3 pairs of hands have been on them.
You know workers who could be immigrants, making minimum wage, with no health care and different ideas about hygiene, sanitation and what qualifys as food handling practices.

[Ecky]

Vegetarian (close to vegan) for around 7 years now. Some recipes I've made recently:

Breaded, fried oyster mushroom + avocado "sushi", with spicy (eggless) mayo:




Chicpea patties with a lemon caper sauce:




Seitan and waffles:




Vegetable chili:




"Namul" bowl, served over rice with a side of kimchi and a sweet chili sauce:




Fried tofu cutlets with kale, mushrooms and onions:




Homemade dairy-free cream cheese stuffed strawberries and raspberries:




Pad Thai:




Buffalo Cauliflower "wings":

[Ecky]

Plenty of people have opinions about nutrition. Some of these are even backed up by data.

My personal experience: Since going vegetarian/veganish, I lost weight, and my blood pressure and cholesterol numbers improved. I eat a fair bit of soy (both fermented and not) and gluten and neither seems to disagree with me. I feel great on a day to day basis.

The cost of vegetables is a non-issue for me because I pull most of them out of a sanitary dumpster behind the nearest grocery. Many of them are individually bagged and seemingly tossed because they had a small bruise. I wash them thoroughly, and in the years I've been doing it, gotten sick fewer times eating dumpster veggies (zero times) than at restaurants.

[Xist]

Would you describe yourself as 90% vegan? Did you previously eat meat?

How does seitan compare to meat? I understand just trying to make good food and not imitate anything else, but the woman I dated had been vegetarian for several months and still craved meat.

Cravings are a powerful force.

I once thought I had an allergic reaction to cauliflower. It turned out I was just really bored.

[Ecky]

Probably 90% yeah. I don't really care to live by the cultural dogma and "rules". Live and let live, I like what I eat and enjoy sharing it with others. I don't have any negative feelings whatsoever about other diets.

I was an omnivore until around 7 years ago. I started dating someone, she was a vegan, I started eating that way too and enjoyed it. Can't say I really miss anything I don't eat anymore.

Seitan can be rich and very filling, but it's not something I like to eat a huge plate of on its own. Seitan on a sandwich with a side of soup or maybe a salad is great, but eating a big bowl of it alone leaves me with a very "heavy", sluggish feeling. I'm reluctant to say it resembles meat, because if you expect meat when you eat it, you're going to be disappointed. That's probably true of most things though. Don't expect them to be what they aren't. Meat isn't a seitan replacement, just as much as seitan isn't a meat replacement, but you can often use them in similar places.

Making it is pretty easy, and there are two recipes I tend toward:

1) This one produces seitan that I'm more likely to use in a recipe that calls for beef. Basically mix some spices, kneed it for a few minutes, then put it on low heat to boil for a few hours, expand and firm up:

https://www.bobsredmill.com/recipes/.../basic-seitan/


2) This one uses a lot of seasonings that give it a lighter flavor, and cutting it with chicpeas changes the texture and makes it a lot less "heavy". It's basically "mix, bread and fry", can be made in about 15 minutes:

https://www.rabbitandwolves.com/vega...y-maple-syrup/

^ Depending on how far you blend the chicpeas, it can have a dramatic effect on how it comes out. I personally prefer it almost a paste, it seems to hold together better.


I probably eat tempeh more frequently though. I greatly enjoy "TLT" sandwiches, because when you fry the **** out of it, it kinda does what bacon does.

EDIT: I should probably add that I'm also a southpaw, so I'm probably a nexus of evil.

[Xist]

Southpaws don't care, they just eat what they want.