More natural gas vehicles in the future?

[Big Dave]

US natural gas supplies are very tight. Currently gas sells on the NYMEX at about $9/DTh. I have seen it at $17 a couple times in the last couple years. If you added a huge new demand its price would be astronomical.

Natural gas for vehicular purposes competes against residential natural gas.

[H4MM3R]

Natural Gas cost 1/3 less than Gasoline at the pump.

[Lazarus]

Originally Posted by H4MM3R

Natural Gas cost 1/3 less than Gasoline at the pump.

Depends where you are at. I looked into doing a conversion last year and CNG was as expensive as gas.

[H4MM3R]

This is where I got the information on the 1/3 price. http://www.ngvc.org/index.html
Your right Lazarus. The price is about the same.

[Lazarus]

Originally Posted by H4MM3R

This is where I got the information on the 1/3 price. http://www.ngvc.org/index.html
Your right Lazarus. The price is about the same.

I was pretty excited about doing a conversion more for environmental reasons then money savings but here in Tx they have it so messed up, between price and getting the conversion certified, it was just to expensive.

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

US natural gas supplies are very tight. Currently gas sells on the NYMEX at about $9/DTh. I have seen it at $17 a couple times in the last couple years. If you added a huge new demand its price would be astronomical.

Natural gas for vehicular purposes competes against residential natural gas.

Market manipulation. Same with oil. If the gov announced that it would no longer add to the SPR, you would see the price of crude plummet over night. They wouldn't have to actually do it, just announce it.

[Gone4]

Originally Posted by H4MM3R

Natural Gas cost 1/3 less than Gasoline at the pump.

Maybe I having been missing something but I don't recall having ever seen a natural gas pump for a car in my entire life. Is this something New England doesn't have or have I just been blind? Is this semi-common in other areas?

[tjts1]

If you have a gas stove in your house you refuel an NGV at home.

[RH77]

Originally Posted by GenKreton

Maybe I having been missing something but I don't recall having ever seen a natural gas pump for a car in my entire life. Is this something New England doesn't have or have I just been blind? Is this semi-common in other areas?

They're pretty obscure. You can find them mostly on the West Coast (Cali or AZ), and many city fleet maintenance centers. Here, the Water Department uses Civic GXs for their light-duty fleet, with refueling at their private locations. Same for the airport. Inter-terminal and Parking Transit Buses run on CNG/LNG and refuel at their garage. It's all hidden from the public.

The Phill device (link earlier) is only available in some states ("Right" and "Left" Coasts + New England/Inland). Depends on the law, and mostly, marketing.

RH77

[Big Dave]

“Natural Gas cost 1/3 less than Gasoline at the pump.”

Dave sez:
Natural gas is not subject to road tax…yet. If a substantial number of people start using it, you can bet the farm the tax man will not be far behind.


Tjts1 posted:
“Market manipulation.”

Dave sez:
Not really. Natural gas has taken over in the industrial sector, supplanting coal (with it high regulatory costs and handling labor). The industrial sector has sopped up all the excess supply of natural gas. Natural gas has become the darling of commodity traders because the balance of supply and demand make it very volatile (in the economic sense) and sensitive to fluctuations in both supply and in demand. But the market is too big to truly manipulate.


GenKreton posted:
“…I don't recall having ever seen a natural gas pump for a car in my entire life.”

Dave sez:
There are a handful at government motor pools. Beyond those, I concur.


Tjts1 posted;
“If you have a gas stove in your house you refuel an NGV at home.”

Dave sez:
You also need a 3000 psi compressor with its 15 HP, 480 volt 3 phase motor.


Just another free lunch that ain't gonna happen.