Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-07-2012, 03:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
turbothrush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 133

2 x wrecked vx - '92 Honda Civic Vx
Team Honda
90 day: 62 mpg (US)
Thanks: 119
Thanked 54 Times in 30 Posts
My aero (hopefully) fiberglass foam truck camper

With lots of people on ecomodder building aeroshells , boattails,trailers,kammbacks etc. I thought i would try to build a truck camper and maybe incorporate in as much aero as I could since I am building from scratch anyway.

My goal is to maintain or maybe exceed the mileage I am getting with my old camper (14-16) and stay under 1000 lbs dry weight as well as include a small bathroom in the new one. I always wanted to try the fiberglass/foam thing like I have seen here on Ecomodder by 3-wheeler and others and since the camper needs to be lightweight I went for this method.


Any suggestions or comments or questions are welcome but please remember that certain things in the design are fixed like cabover height and the roof height at the very back.

I can still make some changes since the main panels are not glassed together yet.

Things I incorporated to hopefully help aero
Tried not to go past the windshield with the cabover.

Keep cabover to truck roof clearance as close as possible

Built in some taper when I glassed the sides. The front and back are 3 inches narrower then the middle. Not much I know but the windows still have to in and they are flat.

I am planning on a 6" or 7" radius where the sides meet the roof and the front cabover. Should be doable with foam. I am wondering about what radius should I use where the sides meet the rear panel should it be less ?

Going to build a hinged fairing to help with airflow at the truck rear door window area

I am looking for advise on the cabover length .I really would have extended further past the windshield but not sure how much it would affect drag.. I could still change this without too much trouble. Also the roof is really just a straight line as it is now as you can see in the picture . Is anything to be gained by giving it a curve ?

Hope the pictures show up
This is what I hope to end up with

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-tu...-base-only.jpg

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-tu...de-profile.jpg

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-tu...lamps-duct.jpg

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-tu...e-clamping.jpg

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-tu...icture-056.jpg

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-tu...retty-good.jpg

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-tu...ate-camper.jpg

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	truck.jpg
Views:	2468
Size:	47.6 KB
ID:	10444  

Last edited by turbothrush; 03-08-2012 at 05:55 PM.. Reason: add photos
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to turbothrush For This Useful Post:
KamperBob (03-08-2012), landsailor (03-08-2012)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 03-07-2012, 04:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
Like your project!

I don't think the aero template is going to do you much good in that situation.

You can keep the sides and top to rear junctions absolutely square. Then you should put a folding boattail on the back like the semi-trailers have these days. That's what I want to do to my ginormous Lance which is only good for 10 mpg on the ol' '76 Chev.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Frank Lee For This Useful Post:
turbothrush (03-07-2012)
Old 03-07-2012, 04:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
I'd also say that if the height at the rear is fixed, that it be the max height throughout thus cutting some frontal area out... but I know it's awful nice to have some height above the cabover.

Radii on those vertical edges right behind the cab would be good too, to the extent they stick out from the cab sides.
__________________



Last edited by Frank Lee; 03-07-2012 at 05:38 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2012, 06:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 2,442

2004 CTD - '04 DODGE RAM 2500 SLT
Team Cummins
90 day: 19.36 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,422
Thanked 737 Times in 557 Posts
Radii on those vertical edges right behind the cab would be good too, to the extent they stick out from the cab sides.

Which could be added later. Maybe as separate pieces for when taking camper on/off, but clean it up (smooth transitions) when installed.

Folding, removable boat-tail makes real sense.

.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to slowmover For This Useful Post:
turbothrush (03-07-2012)
Old 03-08-2012, 12:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
skyking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Tacoma WA
Posts: 1,399

Woody - '96 Dodge Ram 2500 SLT
Team Cummins
90 day: 23.82 mpg (US)

Avion and Woody - '96 Dodge/Avion Ram 2500/5th wheel combo
90 day: 15.1 mpg (US)

TD eye eye eye - '03 Volkswagen Beetle GLS
90 day: 49.05 mpg (US)

Mule - '07 Dodge Ram 3500 ST
Thanks: 743
Thanked 528 Times in 344 Posts
Looks very nice. I anticipate you going below your weight goal.
DO you fly the thrush?
__________________




2007 Dodge Ram 3500 SRW 4x4 with 6MT
2003 TDI Beetle
2002 TDI Beetle

currently parked - 1996 Dodge 2500 Cummins Turbodiesel
Custom cab, auto, 3.55 gears
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2012, 05:20 AM   #6 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 115
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts
As you were building from scratch, could you not have considered making it a pop-top to reduce frontal area?

It does look a very nice shape however...

I've always hankered over a small tear-drop shaped trailer/caravan, that we could tow easily and over-night in.

Seeing your method of FG over foam has the wheels turning and thinking maybe I could build my own...

http://www.365campingcaravanning.com...d_trailers.htm
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2012, 09:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
turbothrush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 133

2 x wrecked vx - '92 Honda Civic Vx
Team Honda
90 day: 62 mpg (US)
Thanks: 119
Thanked 54 Times in 30 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowmover View Post
Radii on those vertical edges right behind the cab would be good too, to the extent they stick out from the cab sides.

Which could be added later. Maybe as separate pieces for when taking camper on/off, but clean it up (smooth transitions) when installed.

Folding, removable boat-tail makes real sense.

.
Thanks slowmover, Maybe I will do something like this out of foam and hinge it to the camper so I can open the rear door.
Click image for larger version

Name:	Picture 126.jpg
Views:	1899
Size:	24.5 KB
ID:	10438

Click image for larger version

Name:	Picture 125.jpg
Views:	1671
Size:	18.6 KB
ID:	10439
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2012, 10:14 AM   #8 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,174
Thanks: 124
Thanked 2,802 Times in 1,968 Posts
Big outside and roomy inside.

Bigger than what I would have done, but nice.

Too Complex?
Automobile 2 - Odds and Ends pictures by kach22i - Photobucket
__________________
George
Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects

2012 Infiniti G37X Coupe
1977 Porsche 911s Targa
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up truck
1989 Scat II HP Hovercraft

You cannot sell aerodynamics in a can............
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2012, 10:32 AM   #9 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
skyking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Tacoma WA
Posts: 1,399

Woody - '96 Dodge Ram 2500 SLT
Team Cummins
90 day: 23.82 mpg (US)

Avion and Woody - '96 Dodge/Avion Ram 2500/5th wheel combo
90 day: 15.1 mpg (US)

TD eye eye eye - '03 Volkswagen Beetle GLS
90 day: 49.05 mpg (US)

Mule - '07 Dodge Ram 3500 ST
Thanks: 743
Thanked 528 Times in 344 Posts
Kachi, push it on up to the original front height, see what that looks like. Give the guy some headroom in the bunk.
__________________




2007 Dodge Ram 3500 SRW 4x4 with 6MT
2003 TDI Beetle
2002 TDI Beetle

currently parked - 1996 Dodge 2500 Cummins Turbodiesel
Custom cab, auto, 3.55 gears
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2012, 12:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
turbothrush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 133

2 x wrecked vx - '92 Honda Civic Vx
Team Honda
90 day: 62 mpg (US)
Thanks: 119
Thanked 54 Times in 30 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by skyking View Post
Looks very nice. I anticipate you going below your weight goal.
DO you fly the thrush?
Thanks, So far the shell looks as though it will come in at less than 0.8
lbs per sq ft. or about 320 lbs or so (just the shell, no paint ,windows, or interior) ....and yes I fly the thrush. Its one of the first turbine models Ayres made. You fly?



Quote:
kingsway As you were building from scratch, could you not have considered making it a pop-top to reduce frontal area?

It does look a very nice shape however...

I've always hankered over a small tear-drop shaped trailer/caravan, that we could tow easily and over-night in.

Seeing your method of FG over foam has the wheels turning and thinking maybe I could build my own...
Thanks...I thought about a popup believe me but since this fiberglass and foam thing is new to me it seemed a little easier to build a hardside. Maybe down the road I would like to try a hardside popup.

I am really pumped about this method of construction .It is incredible the radius you can do. All you need is a tablesaw. Here is ordinary Home depot foam in 2" Click image for larger version

Name:	Picture 127.jpg
Views:	2066
Size:	14.8 KB
ID:	10440

and 1"
Click image for larger version

Name:	Picture.jpg
Views:	1742
Size:	20.7 KB
ID:	10441
You can even make compound curves if you kerf it both ways with the tablesaw. If you are kerfing large panels like I was you should make a simple plywood throatplate splitter for the table saw.


Last edited by turbothrush; 03-08-2012 at 12:13 PM.. Reason: forgot something
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com