Myth Busters SUCKS! (HHO mod, does it work?)

[ttoyoda]

I know their are different types of HHO generators, but none of you have mentioned the one designed by Stanley Myers. It is the one I am going to try and duplicate as it seems to produce the most amount of gas with the least amount of power.

If you guys are interested I can post the information and blueprints I have regarding his design which uses Stainless steel pipes. Let me know ..

Of course we are interested. Please post them. Like they say, everthing has been thought of BEFORE. The trick is to think of it AGAIN.

[metromizer]

Originally Posted by ttoyoda

Finally, we ARE mixing up two things here, and maybe we should not- The generation of "browns gas" which is one technical problem

-Can engine combustion be made more efficient with addition of just hydrogen, or "browns gas"?, which is a different problem.

Hydrogen gas definately burns in an ICE engine, I belive folks when they say Brown's gas burns, too. So no need to re-prove that.

They definately produce hydrogen gas comercially with electricity and water, which is fun to watch BTW, hydogen gas bubbling to the surface inside a belljar and piped away to be compressed. I saw it 10 years ago in a commercial operation where they used hydrogen as clean fuel to heat the vacuum brazing furnaces. It was cheaper to produce their own hydrogen on-site (even with a huge monthly electric bill) than to have it trucked in. So no earth shattering discovery there.

I think a big question is this; does <introducing hydrogen> unlock wasted BTU's from an incomplete gasoline burn or something. That would be news worthy and potentially mpg increasing if it did.

I suggest you add to you list:
-in a self contained HHO system (just add cheap H20 and sodium) can you 'gain' more energy (at the wheels), than you 'use' to generate the Brown's gas. (Raising the idle rpm and lowering emissions by introducing Brown's doesn't prove or dis-prove this.)

[metromizer]

Originally Posted by ttoyoda

Of course we are interested. Please post them. Like they say, everthing has been thought of BEFORE. The trick is to think of it AGAIN.

I am going to steal that saying...

I just listened to a presentation this morning that may very well be the next power plant technology. Several Nobel prize winners have looked at the re-thought concept and see no reason it won't work. Another story for another forum perhaps...

[ttoyoda]

I am going to steal that saying...

I just listened to a presentation this morning that may very well be the next power plant technology. Several Nobel prize winners have looked at the re-thought concept and see no reason it won't work. Another story for another forum perhaps...

I did not come up with the saying, I just saw it somewhere.. Can you give us a hint to this new tech? maybe a link somewhere? Please?

[trikkonceptz]

OK Lets see if I can link the document, its 234 pages long and shows several different models. At the very end is the HHO generator I want to try, but in between it has many fully functional engine thsat can be powered with just water ...

OK the file it to dam large to fit on our boards, if anyone is interested PM me with an email address and I will send you the document I have, in the meantime I'll try and and see if I can attach it ..

[JamesLaugesen]

Originally Posted by metromizer

I suggest you add to you list:
-in a self contained HHO system (just add cheap H20 and sodium) can you 'gain' more energy (at the wheels), than you 'use' to generate the Brown's gas. (Raising the idle rpm and lowering emissions by introducing Brown's doesn't prove or dis-prove this.)

That's what's on my list. But I'll use sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) instead of sodium chloride, because of the chlorine as Silvernight mentioned.

Originally Posted by metromizer

I just listened to a presentation this morning that may very well be the next power plant technology

Is this the freshwater/seawater osmosis plants in norway(I think)?

[ttoyoda]

That's what's on my list. But I'll use sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) instead of sodium chloride, because of the chlorine as Silvernight mentioned.

I found a list of conductivity vs material vs concentration but sadly baking soda is not on it.

Conductivity Values µS/cm at 77°F (25°C)

[RacerX]

Originally Posted by JamesLaugesen

That's brilliant, but I'd be worried about falling branches damaging the solar panel (lots of trees around here). I could mount the panel in the boot (trunk?), and wire the boot light to stay on to power the solar panel.

I don't know if that's great idea. I'm not sure what the output of the solar panel would be with an incandecent light bulb.

I was thinking of a small solar panel. Something similar to what is on a trailer's brake-away battery. They put out 2 amps at full sun light. Which for the size of the panel seems like alot, not that I'm complaining. the size is roughly 5" x 9" ?? give or take

[trikkonceptz]

Thanks to James I have links to the documents I was referring to a post ago. One link is for the entire 200+ page document, the other is specifically about the HHO generator and it has pictures ....

Enjoy,

http://files.jl.sg/ecomodder/MeyerRep.pdf
http://files.jl.sg/ecomodder/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf

[Duffman]

Originally Posted by ttoyoda

So there might be some sort of tradeoff, perhaps you have found it, but it seems to me that .03 volts times 1000 amps would give 100 times more hydrogen than say 3 volts at 10 amps, both are 30 watts. You need a lot of cell plate area and big buss bars to get a flow of 1000 amps though, obviously it is a significant project to make such a cell. Clever idea on your part to put cells in series, you bypass the whole problem of large currents. How about cutting off the top of a dead car battery and remove the guts, for your case? You get 6 compartments that way.

You are right about both being 30W but you still can not violate ohms law. .03V might not have enough push to move 1000 amps if you know what I mean, what is the resisitance of the water, plates, wire and internal resistance of your power source?