New Law Will Install Kill Switches In All New Cars

[redpoint5]

We thought ignition problems caused by pounds of junk hanging from the keychain was bad, the seatbelt kill switch will literally be a kill switch for many people.

[Piwoslaw]

There are these universal remote controls, allowing you to turn off almost any TV.
Like the ones constantly displaying adverts in public places, lobbies, etc.

I can see an ecomodder walking across a parking lot, reducing noise and pollution by remotely killing engines in cars which are idling empty while the driver is shopping or just standing next to car, with open windows and A/C on full blast.

Or remotely killing engines in neighbouring cars on downhills, before red lights, etc., forcing them to EOC.
OK, I know this last one is dangerous...

[freebeard]

Do with this what thou wilt:

Car Hacker's Handbook - OpenGarages
OpenGarages › handbook
The Car Hacker’s Handbook will give you a deeper understanding of the computer systems and embedded software in modern Â*vehicles. It begins by examining vulnerabilities and providing detailed explanations of communications over the CAN bus and Â*between devices and systems.

Escape characters are via DDG.

[redpoint5]

Was listening to George Hotz, and he asked why anyone should be concerned about CAN bus hacks that take over control of your car? There's plenty of ways to mess with people that are easier, and nobody cares about you anyhow. Russian hackers are trying to make money, not drive people off the road.

I'm sure we'll see the first death by hacking in the news someday soon, but it will be in the news because it's uncommon. People will then panic about being hacked and killed instead of getting their weight below 300, or their diabetes under control.

[Autobahnschleicher]

I'm glad to drive a car that is too old to be hacked in any meaningfull way.
People have tried hacking its ECU for over 2 decades now, with no success.
And that's with directly accessing the hardware, not wireless.
The only wireless communications it supports is locking/unlocking via they key

[redpoint5]

Wireless comms on cars is very short range, except for those equipped with cellular radios. Even cellular only has a range of a couple miles, it's just that there's usually a tower within that distance.

Anyhow, I could see a switch that disables cellular comms on demand (or pull the fuse?). One could also put an intermediate device between the ECU and everything else to filter out kill commands. Probably half a dozen ways to skin that cat.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I'm sure we'll see the first death by hacking in the news someday soon, but it will be in the news because it's uncommon.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Controversy_over_all eged_foul_play

Everyone knows about that one, but I have my suspicions about the gray Dodge Challenger at the kerfluffle that instantiated the Charlottesville Hoax. Two blocks in a straight line at full throttle.

[JSH]

There is a reason that the articles linked decided to describe what was in the bill instead of just linking the text. This nefarious "Kill Switch" does 2 things:

Turn of the car if you remote start it and leave it idling for too long. There have been cased of people accidentally remote starting their car in their garage, going to bed, and not waking up. As a side benefit it keeps people from warming up their car for ridiculous periods of time.

This rule is final.

Text:
Automatic Shutoff Systems for Motor Vehicles.--
(1) Final rule.--
(A) In general.--Not later than 2 years after the date of
enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule
amending section 571.114 of title 49, Code of Federal
Regulations, to require manufacturers to install in each motor
vehicle that is equipped with a keyless ignition device and an
internal combustion engine a device or system to automatically
shutoff the motor vehicle after the motor vehicle has idled for
the period described in subparagraph (B).
(B) Description of period.--
(i) In general.--The period referred to in subparagraph
(A) is the period designated by the Secretary as necessary
to prevent, to the maximum extent practicable, carbon
monoxide poisoning.
(ii) Different periods.--The Secretary may designate
different periods under clause (i) for different types of
motor vehicles, depending on the rate at which the motor
vehicle emits carbon monoxide, if--

(I) the Secretary determines a different period is
necessary for a type of motor vehicle for purposes of
section 30111 of title 49, United States Code; and
(II) requiring a different period for a type of
motor vehicle is consistent with the prevention of
carbon monoxide poisoning.

2. Conduct a study about a new rule that require automakers to kill the ignition if you leave a vehicle in drive and step out. This is not a final rule, it is a requirement for NHTSA to study this topic and create a report.

Text:

Preventing Motor Vehicles From Rolling Away.--
(1) Requirement.--The Secretary shall conduct a study of the
regulations contained in part 571 of title 49, Code of Federal
Regulations, to evaluate the potential consequences and benefits of
the installation by manufacturers of technology to prevent movement
of motor vehicles equipped with keyless ignition devices and
automatic transmissions when--
(A) the transmission of the motor vehicle is not in the
park setting;
(B) the motor vehicle does not exceed the speed determined
by the Secretary under paragraph (2);
(C) the seat belt of the operator of the motor vehicle is
unbuckled;
(D) the service brake of the motor vehicle is not engaged;
and
(E) the door for the operator of the motor vehicle is open.
(2) Review and report.--The Secretary shall--
(A) provide a recommended maximum speed at which a motor
vehicle may be safely locked in place under the conditions
described in subparagraphs (A), (C), (D), and (E) of paragraph
(1) to prevent vehicle rollaways; and
(B) not later than 1 year after the date of completion of
the study under paragraph (1), submit to the Committee on
Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of
Representatives a report--
(i) describing the findings of the study; and
(ii) providing additional recommendations, if any.

The text of the bill is here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...bill/3684/text

[redpoint5]

How about a rule to eliminate "creep" on cars that don't have traditional automatic transmissions?

Uncommanded acceleration isn't a feature, but a bug of how traditional automatic transmissions work. Carrying over that bug into EVs is dumb. There's less need for a kill switch if cars don't default to driving away when the foot is off the brake.

As an aside, my truck weighs 7,200 lbs and idles at 15 MPH. That's not a great default behavior.

[freebeard]

Not all kill switches are created equal.


https://www.summitracing.com/parts/JOE-46200

You know... In case you need to push it somewhere or whatever edge case falsifies their edict.