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Old 09-16-2017, 10:38 AM   #501 (permalink)
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Old 09-16-2017, 11:00 AM   #502 (permalink)
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The only claim they make and have to support is that the battery will maintain a capacity such that it does not lose 4 bars of 12 during the coverage period. The "bars are set to show whatever they want. And it appears that the 4th bar of a 30kWh battery will drop at about the same remaining capacity as the previous 24kWh battery.
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The only claim they make and have to support is that the battery will maintain a capacity such that it does not lose 4 bars of 12 during the coverage period. The "bars are set to show whatever they want. And it appears that the 4th bar of a 30kWh battery will drop at about the same remaining capacity as the previous 24kWh battery.
A judge would likely hear a case in which the bars drop off in a non-linear way. It's deceptive if that is indeed how it's programmed. There is a case to be made. I'd be surprised if a major company would take part in that kind of deception considering how smart many of the customers are. Then again, VW.
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Old 09-16-2017, 01:18 PM   #504 (permalink)
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A judge would likely hear a case in which the bars drop off in a non-linear way. It's deceptive if that is indeed how it's programmed. There is a case to be made. I'd be surprised if a major company would take part in that kind of deception considering how smart many of the customers are. Then again, VW.
The bars have been non-linear since 2011

The first bar has always been a big chunk of battery with subsequent bars being smaller.

Thankfully the volt is linear making it easy to predict energy left

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Old 09-16-2017, 01:27 PM   #505 (permalink)
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Regardless, Nissan warrants the battery to have a certain SoC for 8 years. I think it is 65%

You can pull that from the OBDII and make a warranty claim. Probably no reason for litigation.
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:21 PM   #506 (permalink)
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It's the most "redesigned" car using an existing platform & greenhouse that I've ever seen.

At least they worked on aero:

0.32 Cd - 1st gen Leaf
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Well, you're comparing numbers from disparate tunnels here (A2 that was used for the Car & Driver test, and Nissan's tunnel, which likely has a rolling floor and larger sectional area). While Nissan didn't disclose the Leaf's Cd when it launched in 2010, in their press release for the 2013 refresh they stated that the "coefficient of drag for 2013 has been improved to 0.28 (versus the previous 0.29)." By 2017 they have it right there in the brochure: .28, the same figure they quote for the 2018.

So, no improvement with this new model. Way to go, Nissan!
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:39 PM   #507 (permalink)
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Not confusing at all. Thanks for that info.

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FYI: I bet Nissan fired or demoted the person who OK'd the inclusion of the "battery health" bars in the original instrument cluster. Talk about giving customers something to worry about.

Does the revised car have it?

Why don't they put a "distance to useless engine compression" gauge in their ICE vehicles?!
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Why don't they put a "distance to useless engine compression" gauge in their ICE vehicles?!
Knowing battery degradation is useful, especially for potential buyers of a used vehicle.

As a buyer, knowing battery health is more important than knowing the estimated range for the previous owner.
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I went to see the new Leaf yesterday, and two things make it a no go for us: the center console flairs outward and hits my right knee just below my knee. And they raised the rear seat, which helps the leg position - but now I can press my head on the ceiling if I sit up straight.

It does have a lower price than last year, ~150 mile range, and a 110kW motor.
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My Dasher has the same problem with the center console. I think I will get some kind of shin guard from the athletic department at Goodwill and epoxy it onto the console.

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