Personal question: How old is your computer?

[Piotrsko]

15 yr old laptop on ubuntu, 20 year old case running XP, 7 year old laptop win10

[redpoint5]

I never liked Apple products because they were too restrictive, overpriced, and under-featured.

That's the appeal to businesses and people that like Apple products though; simplicity and security. Businesses can easily manage Apple devices.

My dislike for Apple began with the iPOD. It's a dumb name. Unlike all other MP3 players, the iPOD couldn't just be plugged in to a PC and present itself as attached storage. In fact, it couldn't play MP3s. You had to convert them using iTunes (another stupid name). The iPOD didn't come with an FM tuner, something which most other devices had. It had an awesome scroll wheel though.

[ksa8907]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I never liked Apple products because they were too restrictive, overpriced, and under-featured.

That's the appeal to businesses and people that like Apple products though; simplicity and security. Businesses can easily manage Apple devices.

My dislike for Apple began with the iPOD. It's a dumb name. Unlike all other MP3 players, the iPOD couldn't just be plugged in to a PC and present itself as attached storage. In fact, it couldn't play MP3s. You had to convert them using iTunes (another stupid name). The iPOD didn't come with an FM tuner, something which most other devices had. It had an awesome scroll wheel though.

I think my disdain for Apple is actually not really Apple's fault. ****ing EVERYTHING after the iPhone launched was called i(insert name here).

So
Damn
Annoying

[redpoint5]

Agreed, especially when other companies marketed things with a meaningless single character prefix.

Apple had groundbreaking products though. It's just that better products quickly followed that were half the cost and capable of twice as much.

I still have to email photos to myself from my iPhone 10. I think I can connect my phone to my PC via USB and access some of the content... on my Android phone I could simply send via bluetooth.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Unlike all other MP3 players, the iPOD couldn't just be plugged in to a PC and present itself as attached storage.

Which reminds me -- I bought a $25 second-hand iPod Touch and then when I realized I needed to jailbreak it, I just threw it in a drawer. It might be worth doing:

duckduckgo.com/?q=jailbreak+iPod+Touch&ia=web

There are seven or more ways.

[Isaac Zachary]

Laptop from 2006. Works ok with Windows 10 and not so ok with Windows 11. I am trying Linux Mint currently with limited success. I may go back to Windows 10 on it.

Desktop from 2011. It's running Windows 10 without a problem.

Surface Tablet from Microsoft Store bought in December of 2019 (little over two years ago). I'm not happy as I have had to buy another type cover, which is also giving me problems and this thing is the slowest computer I have right now. Plus it is not available for the free Windows 11 upgrade (none of my computers are). But this one was sold to me directly from Microsoft less than two years before the Windows 11 release which makes it kind of frustrating. The ancient laptop seems to be better than this thing in terms of usability.

[freebeard]

Works ok with Windows 10 and not so ok with Windows 11.

I can't find the cite, but somebody, Hacker News or Slashdot, posted a story that Windows 11 does not offer any advantage over 10.

[redpoint5]

Win11 falls right in line with the mostly historic trend of a good Windows OS followed by a stinker, going all the way back to Win98.

Win98 - Good
WinME - Bad
WinXP - Good
Vista - Bad
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Bad
Win10 - Good
Win11 - ?

Of course, I left out the few examples that break this trend.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I can't find the cite, but somebody, Hacker News or Slashdot, posted a story that Windows 11 does not offer any advantage over 10.

On a computer from 2006 in 2022, no advantage.

IMO, the advantages are:

1. In october of 2025 Windows 10 will no longer be supported. So if you want security updates on Windows or your apps need an updated version of Windows in order to run properly then at some point by then you'll need Windows 11.
2. For gamers Windows 11 allows (or will allow) for direct storage access, or something like that. From what I understand, since storage drives are getting to the point that they're nearly as fast as RAM some apps could be faster if they could access date directy from your storage drive(s) instead of first loading it first into RAM.
3. Ascetics, if you're into that kind of thing

What bugs me is when I buy my very first brand new product directly from Microsoft and a year and a half later, while I'm still making payments on it, I get this red circle with an X in the updater stating this computer can't be upgraded to the latest version of Windows. It's not that I need the latest version of Windows. But it's like they're trying to tell me that even with a product I haven't even finished paying for that I now need a new one because they want me to have Windows 11, but their own one and a half year-old computer they sold me isn't supported. What a sales pitch! "We just sold you a product, but you need to buy a new one now because we said so."

I've been dabbling in getting Linux to work for me and abandon Microsoft as much as possible, but so far it's not working out. So alas! Some day I'll have to buy another computer, or hack Windows 11 into the ones I have and hope it keeps working.

[redpoint5]

I'll skip to Win12 after support ends.

OEM Windows versions are different licenses and are heavily discounted. As such, they may carry different upgrade eligibility.

The laptop I purchased 2 years ago with Win10 is eligible to be upgraded to Win11. Of course, I wasn't born yesterday.