Poll: should EcoModder ban certain forum topics? (HHO, magnets, Ram Implosion Wings)

[UFO]

Originally Posted by MorphDaCivic

Accepted science facts are always up for debate, unless you ban discussion.

Scientific journals: Publish and be wrong | The Economist

Science frequently gets it wrong, especially when it is funded by ADM or big oil.

Key word is accepted. Proven, on the other hand, is difficult to debate and should not be brought down to the pseudo-science false duality.

[ChazInMT]

@Morph. It isn't banned. It is in the Unicorn Corral. Go there and fill it with all your brilliant ideas.

@Darin. Excellent choice, a few weeks ago I almost PM'd you with this very idea of segregating the "less than credible idea" threads that were bobbing about amongst the truly great work that some do in here. Good Job!!

[rmay635703]

I would argue to just leave it as "other" Sites have done

Sticky: Alternators, Free Energy, Perpetual Motion, Over Unity, HHO, pseudo science and all that...

No need to belittle too much I am always entertained by HHO, also some of the illegit devices create a fuel economy increase due to other reasons like modding your ECU (or an efie) which also seems to fall is psuido science even though they are pretty sound in what they do (though some dislike lean burn on non-lean burn vehicles)

I would love a step by step ECU modding discussion, sadly it typically enters legal juridiction on the software side

Also I think learning by doing sometimes is what is need for some individuals and showing them good protocal to test their strange mods isn't really a bad thing either.

[dcb]

would vortex tabs as mpg improvers qualify for the new forum?

[MetroMPG]

Good question.

The CFD analysis of the Mitsu Evo that showed a small (0.006) improvement in Cd with delta style VG's; Renault used them in the same placement on an eco version of a small sedan with a short decklid (http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ighlight=logan).

I'm inclined to think they may have a small positive effect in limited applictations. But they're not the magic bullet that many seem to hope for.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by MetroMPG

Good question.

The CFD analysis of the Mitsu Evo that showed a small (0.006) improvement in Cd with delta style VG's; Renault used them in the same placement on an eco version of a small sedan with a short decklid (http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ighlight=logan).

I'm inclined to think they may have a small positive effect in limited applictations. But they're not the magic bullet that many seem to hope for.

Does making your rear panels look like the surface of golf balls with small divits apply to this also or is this a more proven method?

I still think the forum should be labled the way I mentioned so the folks wanting to post on "those" subjects would be more inclined to post there.

[fidalgoman]

I voted: No - I am entertained by the musings of pseudo-scientists and conspiracy theorists.

As I see it the pseudo science behind these claims is debunked quite well by people who can give a qualified empirical answer to extravagant claims. Unlike UFO conspirators, EcoModders can put feet to stated claims and either prove or disprove wild assertions. Now the only issue is dealing with a few people who have had their 200 MPG carburettors debunked.

[ChazInMT]

200 MPG carburetors! Ha, I love this one. Particularly since they were invariably tested on a 72 Buick 225 sporting a 455Cid engine. Can you imagine the inefficiencies alone in drive train and aerodynamics that this magic carburetor would have to make up for?

Isn't there a particular Fuel/Air ratio that must be maintained in order for combustion to take place? This never seems to be questioned.

Then there is the specific energy of the Gasoline itself that must be considered, I mean is there really enough chemical power in that gallon to transport a big ol thing 200 Miles? Of course if we converted the matter to energy, it could take that car to Jupiter and back.

And then, knowing what we do today, the ability to get 70-80Mpg out of even a finely tuned machine with many parts engineered for efficiency alone, it is very difficult to achieve. Yet somehow, this one carburetor alone in a normal car makes all the difference.

I'm gonna paste this into a new thread right in the corral now!

[usergone]

I would say that we shouldn't delete honest inquiries, but rather point them to threads that answer their questions. Maybe even write up a "read me first" sticky explaining common fuel farces. Also, possibly moved to the unicorn corral

On the other hand, if someone is spamming (hull effect, powerstroke flaming guy) or scamming (selling snake oil) then I say ban away. When I say spam I mean something that contributes nothing to the community, flaming or touting huge gains but not explaining how, etc. When I say scamming, I mean someone is trying to get people to buy a product without showing some sincerity or willingness for 3rd party testing.

There you have my two stamped zink disks, coated in copper.

[usergone]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

I would love a step by step ECU modding discussion, sadly it typically enters legal juridiction on the software side

Aww, come on now. I own the equipment, I can change it to do what I want it to do! Granted, I don't have an ECU that does anything, but I do have a WRT54G router running tomato.

There are a lot of different styles and hardware versions, but plenty of ECUs share the same platform I am sure.

Just keep in mind that bricking is a risk you must take.