Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-21-2012, 12:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Scotland
Posts: 102

Project EconoPolo - '04 Volkswagen Polo Twist TDi
90 day: 48.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 61 Times in 24 Posts
When you say take out the rear muffler, do you just mean unbolting it and dropping it? I've heard of swapping to aftermarket parts but never just taking it off.

__________________
Viio
Amateur SolidWorks Flow Simulator

Link to my Project EconoPolo (aeromodding a VW)
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 01-21-2012, 04:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
Mechanical engineer
 
Vekke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Kitee (Finland)
Posts: 1,246

Siitin - '98 Seat Cordoba Vario
90 day: 58.56 mpg (US)

VW Lupo 3L --> 2L - '00 VolksWagen Lupo 3L
Diesel
90 day: 104.94 mpg (US)

A8 luxury fuel sipper - '97 Audi A8 1.2 TDI 6 speed manual
90 day: 64.64 mpg (US)

Audi A4B6 Avant Niistäjä - '02 Audi A4b6 1.9tdi 96kW 3L
90 day: 54.57 mpg (US)

Tourekki - '04 VW Touareg 2.5TDI R5 6 speed manual
90 day: 32.98 mpg (US)

A2 1.4TDI - '03 Audi A2 1.4 TDI
90 day: 45.68 mpg (US)

A2 1.4 LPG - '02 Audi A2 1.4 (75hp)
90 day: 24.67 mpg (US)
Thanks: 260
Thanked 804 Times in 392 Posts
Take the old muffler out and replace it with straight pipe to back. If you plan to put it back use the braking point which is already there. If you dont need it just use hacksaw to cut it off just before the muffler begins so you will only need straight 1 meter pipe like I did on my seat:

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=acb1f...3BAC776768!163
__________________


https://www.linkedin.com/in/vesatiainen/

Vesa Tiainen innovation engineer and automotive enthusiast
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 10:03 AM   #23 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Scotland
Posts: 102

Project EconoPolo - '04 Volkswagen Polo Twist TDi
90 day: 48.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 61 Times in 24 Posts
First two fill-ups have given me 55mpg and 58 mpg (UK) - both are short on the 61.8mpg combined that the factory suggests. I've been carrying a fair bit of weight around but as it's mostly long motorway journeys I'm surprised it isn't higher.

I wonder if I ought to reconnect my cold-air feed to see if the engine is starved of oxygen. I have a feeling I'm having to work the engine quite hard to get it to climb hills etc and the cold air feed might help with that.
__________________
Viio
Amateur SolidWorks Flow Simulator

Link to my Project EconoPolo (aeromodding a VW)
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 04:31 PM   #24 (permalink)
Aero Wannabe
 
COcyclist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NW Colo
Posts: 738

TDi - '04 VW Golf
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 53.2 mpg (US)
Thanks: 705
Thanked 218 Times in 169 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by viio View Post
First two fill-ups have given me 55mpg and 58 mpg (UK) - both are short on the 61.8mpg combined that the factory suggests. I've been carrying a fair bit of weight around but as it's mostly long motorway journeys I'm surprised it isn't higher.

I wonder if I ought to reconnect my cold-air feed to see if the engine is starved of oxygen. I have a feeling I'm having to work the engine quite hard to get it to climb hills etc and the cold air feed might help with that.
Everything I have read and experienced about diesels says to supply the engine intake with as much cool air as possible. Block the radiator because they are so efficient they don't generate much heat but I would keep the cold-air intake in place and free flowing. Warm-Air Intake mods may work in gas (petrol) vehicles because they are fighting against the throttle plate at low load situations. The warmer air is less dense and allows gas engines to run with the throttle a little more open and operate more efficiently at hypermiler cruising speeds. It hurts their power too but some people may get a few mpg out of it. Not for diesels though. Diesels don't have a throttle and can work at very lean injection rates.
__________________
60 mpg hwy highest, 50+mpg lifetime
TDi=fast frugal fun
https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post621801


Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
The power needed to push an object through a fluid increases as the cube of the velocity. Mechanical friction increases as the square, so increasing speed requires progressively more power.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to COcyclist For This Useful Post:
viio (02-25-2012)
Old 02-24-2012, 06:43 PM   #25 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Scotland
Posts: 102

Project EconoPolo - '04 Volkswagen Polo Twist TDi
90 day: 48.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 61 Times in 24 Posts
Apologies for the absence, I've been moving house, job, and internet providers. I've made a few changes since I last posted.

Wheel "spats" are now in place for all 4 wheels - just a 5 inch piece of mudflap rubber in front of each wheel. Simple but the CFD work I did said they helped, so on they went!



I managed to get hold of some very large sheets of acrylic thanks to my dad, so I got 4 of them and set to work to create underbody panelling (belly pan). I used two pieces (about 3 feet X 4 feet each) and cut them to shape to fit the suspension components. This stuff is pretty heat resistant so I didn't even need to cut a space for the exhaust.



I've just completed CFD work on some test side sills - which I've posted here:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...tml#post289002

and tomorrow I'll try to fabricate something.


In other news, I experimented with a very small rubber roof spoiler in CFD to see if I could promote "detaching" the air at the back of the car. This was a fail though, as the results on the right show more turbulence and drag (in red) at the back of the vehicle. Still - at least I didn't have to get the glue out and test it with A-B-A, I tested it from my desk :P

__________________
Viio
Amateur SolidWorks Flow Simulator

Link to my Project EconoPolo (aeromodding a VW)
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to viio For This Useful Post:
Cd (02-24-2012)
Old 02-25-2012, 02:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Scotland
Posts: 102

Project EconoPolo - '04 Volkswagen Polo Twist TDi
90 day: 48.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 61 Times in 24 Posts
Mudflaps are off! (based on CFD testing)

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...cfd-20690.html
__________________
Viio
Amateur SolidWorks Flow Simulator

Link to my Project EconoPolo (aeromodding a VW)
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2012, 02:36 PM   #27 (permalink)
NightKnight
 
NachtRitter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Placerville, CA
Posts: 1,594

RippinRoo - '05 Subaru Legacy Wagon 2.5 GT
Subaru
90 day: 21.16 mpg (US)

Helga - '00 Volkswagen Jetta TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
Diesel
90 day: 53.91 mpg (US)

Olga - '03 Volkswagen Jetta Wagon
90 day: 46.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 303
Thanked 311 Times in 186 Posts
I like the wheel spats... are they the width of the tire?
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2012, 02:40 PM   #28 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Scotland
Posts: 102

Project EconoPolo - '04 Volkswagen Polo Twist TDi
90 day: 48.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 61 Times in 24 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by COcyclist View Post
Everything I have read and experienced about diesels says to supply the engine intake with as much cool air as possible. Block the radiator because they are so efficient they don't generate much heat but I would keep the cold-air intake in place and free flowing. Warm-Air Intake mods may work in gas (petrol) vehicles because they are fighting against the throttle plate at low load situations. The warmer air is less dense and allows gas engines to run with the throttle a little more open and operate more efficiently at hypermiler cruising speeds. It hurts their power too but some people may get a few mpg out of it. Not for diesels though. Diesels don't have a throttle and can work at very lean injection rates.
And with that in mind, I re-worked my cold air intake today. This was a bit tricky since I don't have an opening on the front grille any more so I had to get a little creative - or destructive actually.

The top of the grille is the only place to suck air in from now and unfortunately it looks like this:



So I got trigger-happy with a jig-saw and opened it up.



Now the air flows in through the VW badge (the badge was blocked behind but now it's an intake!



Next step was to sort out the very restrictive cold-air feed which for some reason had a big plastic chunk blocking the flow of air. It also had an opening at the bottom about 15mm high and covered the full width of the intake section. In short, most of the air coming in the front would be directed out the bottom and didn't head towards the engine! WTF!

I've now cut out the restriction and taped the whole thing up so that the air can't leak, and the air pressure increases on the intake that goes to the engine. Here's the before and after. You can probably see the original gap from the height difference in the "after" pic below:

__________________
Viio
Amateur SolidWorks Flow Simulator

Link to my Project EconoPolo (aeromodding a VW)
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2012, 02:50 PM   #29 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Scotland
Posts: 102

Project EconoPolo - '04 Volkswagen Polo Twist TDi
90 day: 48.23 mpg (US)
Thanks: 14
Thanked 61 Times in 24 Posts
Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by NachtRitter View Post
I like the wheel spats... are they the width of the tire?
No they're only 4-5 inches, I went for smaller ones as my CFD suggested I could get the air to divert around the wheels without having to go full width and impact my frontal area total.
__________________
Viio
Amateur SolidWorks Flow Simulator

Link to my Project EconoPolo (aeromodding a VW)
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2012, 03:48 PM   #30 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 15,895
Thanks: 23,972
Thanked 7,223 Times in 4,650 Posts
VW badge

Quote:
Originally Posted by viio View Post
And with that in mind, I re-worked my cold air intake today. This was a bit tricky since I don't have an opening on the front grille any more so I had to get a little creative - or destructive actually.

The top of the grille is the only place to suck air in from now and unfortunately it looks like this:



So I got trigger-happy with a jig-saw and opened it up.



Now the air flows in through the VW badge (the badge was blocked behind but now it's an intake!



Next step was to sort out the very restrictive cold-air feed which for some reason had a big plastic chunk blocking the flow of air. It also had an opening at the bottom about 15mm high and covered the full width of the intake section. In short, most of the air coming in the front would be directed out the bottom and didn't head towards the engine! WTF!

I've now cut out the restriction and taped the whole thing up so that the air can't leak, and the air pressure increases on the intake that goes to the engine. Here's the before and after. You can probably see the original gap from the height difference in the "after" pic below:

It would be instructive to do a small tuft test around the badge area.
On the 1st-gen Ford Taurus,air actually came out of the upper oval opening due to the accelerated flow in that vicinity.

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com