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Old 11-12-2021, 04:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
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....the US Commerce Dept. is more important than EPA, which could regulate SEMA, who's members produce the 'rolling-coal' technology....
If you require a regulatory chokepoint, please don't make it SEMA. It's a trade show. They sell safety equipment as well.


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Old 11-12-2021, 05:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It would be some of their 'SPEED EQUIPMENT' that would be targeted, just like re-chipping products which do a workaround on OEM diesel engine mapping.
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If you require a regulatory chokepoint, please don't make it SEMA. It's a trade show. They sell safety equipment as well.
SEMA (Special Equipment Marketing Association) is a trade organization that also happens to have a show.

While some of their members do in fact sell safety equipment a huge potion of the segment is illegal modifications to street driven vehicles under the illusion that those parts are being sold for competition purposes. SEMA is also a strong supporter and funder of the "Right to Repair" movement now that OEMs have started encrypting their ECUs and making it hard to commit warranty fraud.
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SEMA is also a strong supporter and funder of the "Right to Repair" movement now that OEMs have started encrypting their ECUs and making it hard to commit warranty fraud.
Right to Repair is a much larger issue than encrypted ECUs, encompassing independent repair shops and out-of-warranty cars laptops.

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Despite Massachusetts voters approving a ballot initiative giving customers and independent repair shops more access to the massive amount of data being tabulated by modern cars by a sizable margin, automakers haven’t given up their unpleasantly consistent opposition to the right-to-repair movement. Backed by consumer advocates, unaffiliated repair shops, the aftermarket community, and those interested in D.I.Y. projects, the movement has made meaningful headway in MA under the updated laws. Vehicles that collect and transmit information back to the automaker manufactured for 2022 (or later) model year are now required to be paired with a standardized open-access data platform accessible by owners and anyone else they feel should have access.

But the automotive industry continues to claim these mandates would be impossible to comply with on such a short timeline and has launched a federal lawsuit that the revised rules create a massive security risk in terms of customer privacy and vehicle safety. We’re inclined to believe this is an easy way for legacy automakers to buy time so they can ultimately find ways of not adhering to the updated laws so they can continue benefiting from being the sole purveyor of the data.
www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/11/automakers-continue-battling-right-to-repair-laws-in-massachusetts/

I still don't think a trade association is the proper place for government's 'friendly persuasion'.
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Right to Repair is a much larger issue than encrypted ECUs, encompassing independent repair shops and out-of-warranty cars laptops.


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I still don't think a trade association is the proper place for government's 'friendly persuasion'.
Yes, right to repair is a much bigger issue and goes past even the right to repair. The Massachusetts law isn't about giving independent shops access to the same info and tools as dealers have - they already have that. It is about going beyond repairs and giving the key to the encryption so they can do illegal modifications - that is what SEMA is key to have. The Mass law also requires automakers to give others OTA access to cars.
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It is about going beyond repairs and giving the key to the encryption so they can do illegal modifications - that is what SEMA is key to have.
Key or keen? duckduckgo.com/?q=keen+definition&ia=definition

OTA sounds like putting your car on Internet. What could possibly go wrong. Not a fan.
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Thanks. I'm not worried about intent. Our state law says modifying your exhaust with anything different from stock is illegal if your vehicle is less than 25 years old. I'm just shopping for options because it's gotten dangerous walking or cycling.

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