The Slow Death of the Internal Combustion Engine

[JSH]

EVs are not disruptive technology. The are the functional equivalent of an ICE car. The difference today is that an ICE car is less expensive and more versatile than an EV. ( I know, I own both)

EVs will take over when:
1. They are less expensive than an ICE
2. Charging infrastructure is available to make them work for people that can't charge at home

Governments can put their finger on the scale to speed the transition like they are doing in the Netherlands.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

EVs will take over when:
1. They are less expensive than an ICE
2. Charging infrastructure is available to make them work for people that can't charge at home

I have already seen at least 2 BMW charging stations placed in the front of the convenience stores of 2 gas stations in Florianópolis, another one at the parking lot of a mall in Florianópolis too but AFAIK it's only operational while the mall is open, and in Porto Alegre the only charging station I've seen is also located on a mall.

But anyway, if EVs become mainstream, I'd still not hold my breath for it to mean the end of the way for the ICE, as it might remain useful in gensets. Then, why not to rely on it as a "range extender" and eventually also using it as an emergency power supply for the household?

[RedDevil]

The charging structure will reflect the number of EVs that need to use them.
It does not take much, every lamp post could be a charge point.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

The charging structure will reflect the number of EVs that need to use them.
It does not take much, every lamp post could be a charge point.

Not without ripping out the wiring and upgrading it for the higher voltage and amperage required to charge an EV.

[oil pan 4]

Street lamp set ups I have seen in the US run 277 to 480v power.
No electric car I know of can take 480v at the j1772 port.

[jjackstone]

I agree with it being reasonably easy to build an electric infrastructure. In the past few years I have seen Wal-Marts with solar panels but no chargers.
The link takes you to a picture I took in Tucson, Arizona.

https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/...id=364966&v=54

I have also seen them with chargers but no solar panels. The photo is in Sacramento,Ca.



I believe the biggest problem with the switch to electric vehicles is still "mostly" in the American psychological makeup. Too many people still believe that they need the biggest most powerful vehicle they can buy not only to get them from point a to b, but for safety.

I have a friend who rides a kind of loud American made motorcycle. He says he would never ride an electric bike because it would be less safe because no one could hear him ride up to them. He's been hit on this very loud motorcycle a couple times.

I do agree that EV's need to be a bit less expensive and I expect that within the next few years their pricing will be on par with similar ICE vehicles. The battery ranges are increasing by the year. Batteries are improving and becoming less expensive and they are typically the most expensive part of an EV. I do think that once people realize that with a compact size decently aerodynamic EV that they can get an equivalent of three to four hundred miles per gallon of gasoline, that more and more people will switch over. How long will that take? Hard to say. I still can't talk my Dad into getting a cell phone. He's 84.
JJ

[RedDevil]

A very loud bike prevents the rider from hearing other vehicles approach.

It also prevents other bikers from ever using those nice twisty roads that get closed off specifically for motorcycles. Roads like these, close to my home.

A bikers dream - torn.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Street lamp set ups I have seen in the US run 277 to 480v power.
No electric car I know of can take 480v at the j1772 port.

How many cars could charge on that circuit and and keep the street lights on?

That was my point. A street light circuit is specified to satisfy the electrical load required to run the street lights. It was not specified to charge an EV at each lamp post. The circuit would need to be upgraded to add chargers.

It could be done but it isn't nearly as simple as installing some chargers.

[oil pan 4]

Most parking lot light circuits I worked on were on 15 or 20 amp breakers.

Oh and NEC mandates circuits used for charging be dedicated. As in 1 circuit, 1 receptacle for 1 evse.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Most parking lot light circuits I worked on were on 15 or 20 amp breakers.

Oh and NEC mandates circuits used for charging be dedicated. As in 1 circuit, 1 receptacle for 1 evse.

So does that mean you cannot legally add a charger to the lamp pole circuit?

Most level II chargers I know of are 240V / 32 amp. It would seem the parking lot circuits are below that capability.