The Slow Death of the Internal Combustion Engine

[Taylor95]

There's not near enough lamps to satisfy the demand of that many EVs. Pretty much every parking space would have to be able to charge.

But no one is going to give away free electricity like that. They would equip something to charge users, thus taking away the simplicity of just making every street lamp a charging station.

[redpoint5]

...also, I don't want to charge at a street lamp, I want to charge at home, and I don't want a street lamp in my home.

[freebeard]

....the future is going to be fossil fuel free. Electric powered transportation would be used to move the masses. It will be a new green revolution, one that will succeed the oil and coal dominated revolution that started over a century ago. I see this in governments..., by politicians who conjure lofty environmental goals and dub them as "The Green Deal", and by others who .... are waging a war against in this era.

Waging war doesn't help. All those ICE engines are going to wear out. The more desirable vehicles, like the XK-E, the Cobra Coupe, and VW buses are already being converted. Four-door sedans shall be crushed.

What will ultimately doom the ICE is vehicular autonomy.

[RedDevil]

Well, it is a thing in London:
https://insideevs.com/charging-elect...from-lamppost/

That's an add-on to an existing lamp post. Even in Great Britain they don't make lamp posts like that anew anymore. I don't know if they rewired it.

Lamp post chargers would not be a total solution. But for those who have to park their cars in the street it makes EV ownership viable.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by JSH

So does that mean you cannot legally add a charger to the lamp pole circuit?

Most level II chargers I know of are 240V / 32 amp. It would seem the parking lot circuits are below that capability.

That's what it says. You can't even add a single light, garage door opener, can opener, ect to the evse circuit.

If you wanted to charge from a lamp post it would have to have 2 circuits going to it. The power for the lights, likely 277 and or 480 plus an additional 120 or 240 circuit.
The lamps can all be on 1 circuit but each evse plug has to be in its own circuit.

[Taylor95]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Waging war doesn't help. All those ICE engines are going to wear out. The more desirable vehicles, like the XK-E, the Cobra Coupe, and VW buses are already being converted. Four-door sedans shall be crushed.

What will ultimately doom the ICE is vehicular autonomy.

That would be a really long time. Like, not in any of our lifetimes. I expect it would be like the introduction of the automatic transmission, except there will likely be a lot more pushback. Lots of people (like myself) would prefer not to give up our control to the car.

Plus there's a lot of things that make complete autonomy unlikely at this point. Will all cars be connected to a cellular network? What about areas that are out of range?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

That's what it says. You can't even add a single light, garage door opener, can opener, ect to the evse circuit.

I haven't read the code, but I don't think it says an EVSE must be on a dedicated circuit. My guess is if the EVSE is permanently installed, the circuit must be on a dedicated circuit.

Nearly all EVs come with L1 chargers that are designed to plug into standard outlets with no dedication to the EVSE.

Another problem is creating a billing infrastructure attached to the light pole. It needs to measure energy consumption and be connected to the internet to authenticate the user and bill them.

Originally Posted by Taylor95

That would be a really long time. Like, not in any of our lifetimes...

Plus there's a lot of things that make complete autonomy unlikely at this point. Will all cars be connected to a cellular network? What about areas that are out of range?

If your definition of autonomous vehicles is so-called level 5, then I agree with you because there will always be situations where a human needs to override the programming. If your definition is level 4, where the car normally has control, but the means to override are available, then I disagree.

Tesla is already at level 3, and most cars in the very near future will be L1 or L2 as standard equipment.

People continuously rate safety as their #1 criteria in choosing a vehicle. As autonomous features prove to increase safety, they will be adopted.

I will live to see the day when airbags and seatbelts are no longer required equipment.

[oil pan 4]

NEC 625.29 states the EVSE shall be plugged into the receptacle and not be plugged into an extension cord.

NEC 210.17 states that a receptacle used for charging an electric vehicle shall not contain any other receptacles. Each electric vehicle charger is to be on its own dedicated circuit.
Doesn't matter if it's 120v, 240v evse or something like a chademo.

NEC 240.4 requires a 15 amp breaker on a 14 gauge or heavier wire and a 20 amp circuit must use at least 12 gauge.

[redpoint5]

Yeah, but practically nobody has an EV "charger". They have what is essentially a safer extension cord. I'm curious to hear from an inspector what the industry interpretation is.

[freebeard]

Like, not in any of our lifetimes.

Speak for yourself.

Lots of people (like myself) would prefer not to give up our control to the car.

I'd be one of those, but there are powers and principalities that have their own plans.

You didn't address the first half of what you quoted.