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Old 02-26-2019, 01:00 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Automation is not elimination of freedom; it's an expansion.

We have clothes washers to wash clothes. You're free to wash 'em by hand if you choose, but why not let the machine do it so your time is free to do other things?

Most of us will want to waste as much time in the "Matrix" as possible anyhow. We're already doing that with Facebook and Twitter. Plenty of movies come to mind that foreshadow the future, but Surrogates particularly comes to mind.

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Yeah, but practically nobody has an EV "charger". They have what is essentially a safer extension cord. I'm curious to hear from an inspector what the industry interpretation is.
NEC 625.29 specifically lists the j1772 evse.
The 2014 revision left nothing open to interpretation.
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Why is it that practically all EV owners plug in their EVSE to a non-dedicated circuit then, and the EVSEs are included to specifically be used in this manner?
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NEC 625.29 specifically lists the j1772 evse.
The 2014 revision left nothing open to interpretation.
Codes are always open to interpretation (otherwise we'd have no need for lawyers and judges). NEC 625.29 mostly talks about needing ventilation when you need ventilation, and not needing ventilation when you don't need it. I see nothing that says a circuit must be dedicated to an EVSE.
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Stumbled upon this: the Osborne Effect on the Auto Industry.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/25...auto-industry/

Put like this it looks pretty inevitable.
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2021 is projected to be a big year for EVs, but I believe that's a bit optimistic. I'll predict 2027 to be the crossover point, if not later. I mean, for this projection to be correct, the EVs in development now need to be substantially less expensive than their predecessor, and that ignores the fact that current EVs carry practically no profit margin. If manufacturers actually want profit, that will cause prices to be more sticky.

Heck, the Chevy Bolt isn't even slated for a new model until 2022, Nissan is only 1 year into the new model, Tesla... is on the Tesla timeframe, and the others are compliance cars. Vehicles generally sell for 5-6 years before getting a major overhaul, and they lag current tech by a similar number of years. In other words, if a major breakthrough in battery tech happened now, we can expect a vehicle to have it in 5 years at the earliest.
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625.29 is evse indoor location, mostly about ventilation, also tells you not to use an extension cord.
There's also 625.30 and also 625.40.
It also says to abide by article 220.14 , 220.19 and 220.20 those can easily direct a deticated circuit be used.
If you want to use a 16 amp evse you need a 20 amp circuit, while the evse is on you can't use anything else on it.

If it's a portable evse not much they can do to stop you from using it.
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Still not seeing the relevant code; not to say it doesn't exist, I simply don't see evidence for it. Also not sure why Google returns mostly commentary on the codes rather than the code itself.
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I'd be one of those, but there are powers and principalities that have their own plans.

You didn't address the first half of what you quoted.
They'll only all wear out of they stop making them.
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Put like this it looks pretty inevitable.
Once you figure it out. The key for 60kWh BEV is dotted (who knew) and the segments are listed in bottom-up order.

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They'll only all wear out of they stop making them replacement parts.
This time you only quoted the reference. Italics don't work in Quotes but bolding does. Else just [snip].

Believe me I'm living on the trailing edge. Old ICE get fragile and expensive.


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