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Old 04-19-2011, 05:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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As a mod you should know better, bud.

Plenty of data out there. If you don't know this, than you should really not be commenting.

It is not voodoo that a larger more massive modern vehicle with a multitude of safety feature will fair better than a smaller car. In fact due to their overwhelming advantage in the chance encounter that the two should collide, it has been suggested by law makers that manufacturers make SUV less massive, aka, less safe, so that the two parties have a greater chance of survivability.

Does more mass equate to a safer vehicle not necessarily, but it does decrease the chances of a lighter vehicle fairing well against one.

If you take a look at modern automotive data you will find that in general in spite of using lighter weight materials and modern low waste CAD engineering cars have steadily increased in weight due in part to increased safety. Taking the human equation out, cars could be made much lighter and more efficient, but since we need to live hopefully intact, cars have gotten safer but heavier. A little toy-car concept with your head in line to most cars' bumpers without being a 700hp Lamborghini, is not a car that the general public will want, and would not be safe to drive, unless of course there was a global shift in the automotive world and all of a sudden everyone was in one of these things.

Tests were done recently over the safety of the Smart car (engineered by Mercedes Benz mind you), concluding that they are far less safe than conventional cars.......also this just in: water is wet.


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Old 04-19-2011, 05:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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how about a pic of a semi truck versus a Suburban, guess what, the suburban loses, what's your point XJ?
I would say you at least have a fighting chance. In that pod your head is basically inline with the Suburban bumper.....no chance to live.
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i have a solution, make it so people that drive like morons can't drive, if you did that vehicle size would be irrelevant since you would cut accident numbers by such a significant amount. it's not the vehicle that's dangerous or unsafe, it's the moron behind the wheel of the vehicle that doesn't know how to drive safely
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Old 04-19-2011, 05:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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i have a solution, make it so people that drive like morons can't drive, if you did that vehicle size would be irrelevant since you would cut accident numbers by such a significant amount. it's not the vehicle that's dangerous or unsafe, it's the moron behind the wheel of the vehicle that doesn't know how to drive safely
Joe, in an ideal world that would be great, but unfortunately no matter what people can and will make mistakes and there will always be accidents as long as people are the ones steering the automobiles.
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Those Hummers went "cheapo" with plain suspension and less bracing a few years ago. I saw a picture somewhere of a horrific accident that had a Hummer about 4 feet long- 5 people dead. Turns out that the Hummer was doing about 40 mph and rear ended a stopped school bus. The bus in the photo looked like nothing happened, but 2 feet back was only the back of a Hummer.

Size of a vehicle matters very little. Size of a drivers brain mattered to 4 people that day. Main thing that matters is the nut behind the wheel.
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Old 04-19-2011, 05:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Know the incident well. Yes, those Hummers, were Hummers in name alone, they were actually just Chevy Tahoe's with a Hummeresque bodies. The only real Hummer is the H1.

As far as the event in question, the speed was actually very high, high enough to lift the bus off of the ground and land its wheel on the sidewalk. No one died though.

And this is a clear indication where bigger and more massive wins.

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in that pic I would be the guy standing on the left. I am a firefighter, and in my experience accidents are more a matter of psychology. The guy driving the hummer thinks that he's safe because of his behemoth of a car, so he drives recklessly. We see more one car accidents with trucks and suvs than cars, and the tree usually wins. Ever see a suburban roll?
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Xj -

You'll understand my lack of enthusiasm for the "bigger is better" ideal. If you want to look at facts, you should realize that in a smaller vehicle, you have a decreased chance of actually making contact in the first place. That's simple to understand, right?

By the way- I'm not a mod, and I'll thank you to make no further attempts at pointing out what I "should know better".

The bus incident isn't I clear cut case of "bigger and more massive winning", its a case of "designed for a purpose with safety in mind". Had that rolling penis extension collided with a similarly designed vehicle of more mass and volume, the same sorts of damage would likely have occurred to both vehicles. Weight hasn't much to do with structural integrity, sir. Physical size lends a hand to energy dispersal during a crush phase, but not much else.
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The bus incident isn't I clear cut case of "bigger and more massive winning", its a case of "designed for a purpose with safety in mind". Had that rolling penis extension collided with a similarly designed vehicle of more mass and volume, the same sorts of damage would likely have occurred to both vehicles. Weight hasn't much to do with structural integrity, sir. Physical size lends a hand to energy dispersal during a crush phase, but not much else.
No it doesnt, but a heavy duty chassis, heavy gauge metal, a plethora of air-bags, ABS, traction control, heavy duty suspension, 4wd, electronic stability control do. All this makes heavy, rugged vehicle able to withstand far more punishment than an econobox, or "green" car.

But for arguments sake that thing, called a Hummer H2 was an ill conceived ba$tard of a vehicle...all show little go. For its weight and size a much better and safer vehicle could have been designed....still put it up against any little car and my money is on the "Hummer".
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This is how you live? Like smashing into things is a certainty?

How did a thread on Aptera devolve into this b***s***?

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