States making legislation in search of a problem

[rmay635703]

https://jalopnik.com/here-is-the-org...RkRdUwDcHxtNA4

Because a couple people imported antique foreign vehicles our automotive lobbiests have started crapping their pants

[freebeard]

I wouldn't trust an NGO named American Association of [anything] Administrators

Regulatory capture
In politics, regulatory capture is a form of corruption of authority that occurs when a political entity, policymaker, or regulator is co-opted to serve the commercial, ideological, or political interests of a minor constituency, such as a particular geographic area, industry, profession, or ideological group.Wikipedia

Any attorney can explain ex post facto.

[oil pan 4]

That's what government does, create problems where none existed previously.

[freebeard]

According to Hegel it's a three-stage process -- no problem > problem > profit.

[JSH]

Auto companies don't care about people importing 25 year old cars. The AAMVA is not affiliated with automakers - it is an organization of state DMV officials.

States do car about increasing the number of unsafe and highly polluting cars on their roads. Why should we allow the USA to be a dumping ground for Japan's old crappy cars?

These cars are legal to import into the USA under federal law. However, registration is the jurisdiction of the states. States do not have to register cars that never met and still do not meet US safety and emission standards.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Creating a problem out of a no-problem, just in order to sell a fake solution that doesn't fix the so-called problem. And even though some JDM or even Brazilian/Mexican rides could be seen as "polluting" and "unsafe", often they can actually make more sense than some model officially available stateside. Under certain circumstances, a Japanese van can make more sense than a full-size American van or SUV of the same vintage.

[freebeard]

I migrated permalink #4 to my signature.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by JSH

Auto companies don't care about people importing 25 year old cars. The AAMVA is not affiliated with automakers - it is an organization of state DMV officials.

States do car about increasing the number of unsafe and highly polluting cars on their roads. Why should we allow the USA to be a dumping ground for Japan's old crappy cars?

These cars are legal to import into the USA under federal law. However, registration is the jurisdiction of the states. States do not have to register cars that never met and still do not meet US safety and emission standards.

Really your gonna argue a modern 1st world country like Japan doesn’t care about pollution? They have an ECU and Cat, the years imported are 4cycle.
These cars are usually exported due to the costs to keep rust free .

We export millions of older and junk cars in far worse shape overseas
We get back around 10,000 Japanese minicars in good shape that mostly take the place of ATVs, golf carts and side by sides.

I guarantee THERE IS NO NEGATIVE POLLUTION IMPACT .

To the north of this state many families no longer own a car and drive road legal side by sides instead, guaranteed that mini cars are much better than the Side by sides that plug all rural roads and side streets around here.

Honestly I would argue importing far more of these vehicles would reduce pollution given they have to have a cat, pass pollution control tests for their model year and are road legal HMS side, far superior to the Smokey ATVs they replace but our local government loves road legal ATVs because of local jobs and $$$.

And yes my Subaru 360 passes smog and it’s not even a 4 cycle, no different than another old car of the same year. It just burns a lot less fuel.

Once again $$$$ overrules common sense let’s run completely uncompliant ATVs on the road instead of clean running efficient mini cars that have an ecu and cat.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

Really your gonna argue a modern 1st world country like Japan doesn’t care about pollution? They have an ECU and Cat, the years imported are 4cycle.

I'm arguing that 25 years old cars have far higher pollution than a modern car and there is no reason to add to our supply of old high-polluting cars by importing them from other countries.

A 25 year old Japanese car was alllow

2.10 g/km CO
0.40 g/km HC
0.40 g/km NOx
0.08 g/km PM

A current Japanese car is allowed
0.630 g/km CO
0.024 g/km HC
0.150 g/km NOx
0.005 g/km PM

That is
3.3 x the CO
16.6 x the HC
2.6 x the NOx
16 x the PM

That is assuming after 25 years the emission systems are still operating as new.

Originally Posted by rmay635703

We export millions of older and junk cars in far worse shape overseas
We get back around 10,000 Japanese minicars in good shape that mostly take the place of ATVs, golf carts and side by sides.

Japanese minicars are still legal to be used off-road like ATVs, golf cars, and side by sides.

Originally Posted by rmay635703

I guarantee THERE IS NO NEGATIVE POLLUTION IMPACT .

I guarantee these 25 year old cars pollute more than a new car.

Originally Posted by rmay635703

To the north of this state many families no longer own a car and drive road legal side by sides instead, guaranteed that mini cars are much better than the Side by sides that plug all rural roads and side streets around here.

Honestly I would argue importing far more of these vehicles would reduce pollution given they have to have a cat, pass pollution control tests for their model year and are road legal HMS side, far superior to the Smokey ATVs they replace but our local government loves road legal ATVs because of local jobs and $$$.

And yes my Subaru 360 passes smog and it’s not even a 4 cycle, no different than another old car of the same year. It just burns a lot less fuel.

Once again $$$$ overrules common sense let’s run completely uncompliant ATVs on the road instead of clean running efficient mini cars that have an ecu and cat.

Rules vary by state - the AAMVA's position is clear:
States should only register vehicles for on-highway use that pass US regulations for on-highway use.

No ATVs, No UTVs, No golf cars, No foreign mini-trucks or other old cars.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by JSH

Auto companies don't care about people importing 25 year old cars. The AAMVA is not affiliated with automakers - it is an organization of state DMV officials.

States do car about increasing the number of unsafe and highly polluting cars on their roads. Why should we allow the USA to be a dumping ground for Japan's old crappy cars?

These cars are legal to import into the USA under federal law. However, registration is the jurisdiction of the states. States do not have to register cars that never met and still do not meet US safety and emission standards.

Then it comes down to dangerous freedom or safe slavery.
Places like California should probably band them to give people another reason to leave and plus they have the top 7 spots for worst air polluted cities.