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Old 02-26-2008, 06:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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“They used to call that all-purpose vehicle a station wagon.”

To which I say:
What is a SUV but a station wagon on a truck chassis with an extra drive axle?
What is a hatchback but a little station wagon built on a subcompact car platform?

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Old 02-26-2008, 06:58 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I don't think it was disingenuous - which is why I put an old and a car equivalent to the age of my current car.
Holy cow! You don't think a statement, which was directed at others, and I responded to with information about my situation/s, is disingenuous if you respond to my statement by using information about your situation/s, when it's not your situation that I'm using, but my situation in response to this general statement from RH77 to everyone else? C'mon meng...
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My philosophy -- if you need anything bigger than a small car or wagon, it's cheaper to rent it for a day or so, than to finance it, insure it, fuel it, maintain it, etc, etc...

Do the Math.

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8 years is well past the major depreciation hit in the first 36 months. That, and I actually got real quotes - putting my SS# and information in.... I did NOT include collision
RH77's statement was to everyone, including all their own unique situations, not just your cherry picked example.

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But lets take your example

$20 for UHual Pickup rental plus mileage. That's $19.95 + $0.49 per mile. Lets say we'll do 40 mile average per rental (a cross town move). That's $39.60 plus any taxes. This is a situation where say you have to move a crap ton of foam and don't have a truck...
That's your example, not mine. My example/s would be what I do/need. Thus far, the only info you have on my examples are my insurance/registration rates, a range of associated fuel costs, and the number of days I tend to use a vehicle on a trip. I suppose from that you could infer some range as well, but in any event, your cherry picked example is not my example. You can't just take a few attributes, and claim it's something I would do. Well, you can, but yer reachin if I'm responding to a general statement about what's cheaper for me...

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It's probably less than most which is why mechanics are busy
Fer sure. How many people do you know that would do something for themselves in less time than it would take to "earn" the money to pay someone else to do it? No a whole lot. Why? I dunno, I guess most people just like doing repetitive tasks for a longer amount of time than it would take to just fix their own stuff.
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:12 PM   #23 (permalink)
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OK

Allow me modify my statement:

My philosophy -- if you need anything bigger than a small car or wagon, it's EDIT: generally cheaper to rent it for a day or so, than to finance it, insure it, fuel it, maintain it, etc, etc...

EDIT: For your situation, crunch some numbers to see if it works.

Strike: "Do the Math" -- my intention was not a derogatory "duh" statement, but a request to estimate costs.

Further: I don't see that this is a personal attack from/against/between members in this thread. Each member has different situations.

My point is not to run out and buy a truck/SUV because you might need it a few times a year (and thus drive it every day). Purely my stance, no offense to anyone who feels otherwise. I'm trying to back-up my idea with Science, and so, I agree with Treb's calculations to further support the argument.

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Allow me modify my statement:
Nope, it's stuck like that for all eternity, a time longer than time itself, but smaller than an uncountably long time.

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I'm trying to back-up my idea with Science, and so, I agree with Treb's calculations to further support the argument.
In order to do that, even with a general case, you'll need to have/present more information than just anecdotal accounts, to show that in general what you said is the case. I think defining stuff such as bounds and what you meant by "in general" quantitatively would be a good start. Not to say that what you said isn't true in general, unlike my response to your earlier statement, just that you need way more data to establish it in a scientific way IMO.
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Nope, it's stuck like that for all eternity, a time longer than time itself, but smaller than an uncountably long time.
That is, unless I use the all-powerful "edit" button [insert Dr. Evil laugh here]...

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order to do that, even with a general case, you'll need to have/present more information than just anecdotal accounts, to show that in general what you said is the case. I think defining stuff such as bounds and what you meant by "in general" quantitatively would be a good start. Not to say that what you said isn't true in general, unlike my response to your earlier statement, just that you need way more data to establish it in a scientific way IMO.
C'mon BBQ-man, don't make me work for it

OK, I agree that at least 3 examples would make it "Scientific".

Short Story -- A few years ago, I nearly bought an early-80's VW Diesel Pickup to haul larger items or use it for my computer business at the time (the Rabbit chassis) -- or "Caddy" as it's called. At the time I lived in an apartment, so I would've needed to park it at a friend's house. Plus, insure it for a year and learn to repair it as needed. At the time, the Math didn't add up.

Here's the question. Let's say you have the space to park one vehicle. What would would you own and why?

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Old 02-26-2008, 10:00 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Nope... Only 2.7182818... examples.

In any event, as per the question, I need more info.

That being said, there's a pretty large divide between those that have one or no car in the city, and those, like myself and Coyote X who have room for a bunch.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:04 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Holy cow! You don't think a statement, which was directed at others, and I responded to with information about my situation/s, is disingenuous if you respond to my statement by using information about your situation/s, when it's not your situation that I'm using, but my situation in response to this general statement from RH77 to everyone else? C'mon meng...
Am I not one of "others?" You asked to see the math So I chose two vehicles -and old one and one equivalent to the age of my DD. I'm willing to be most of the members here have vehicles that fall between that range.

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RH77's statement was to everyone, including all their own unique situations, not just your cherry picked example.
Sure, but I don't have everyone' Social Security numbers to get insurance rates with I highly doubt anyone is going to give me their SS# on top of their hauling needs. I personally wouldn't do that - which is why I can only give my situation.

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That's your example, not mine. My example/s would be what I do/need. Thus far, the only info you have on my examples are my insurance/registration rates, a range of associated fuel costs, and the number of days I tend to use a vehicle on a trip. I suppose from that you could infer some range as well, but in any event, your cherry picked example is not my example. You can't just take a few attributes, and claim it's something I would do. Well, you can, but yer reachin if I'm responding to a general statement about what's cheaper for me...
I was given
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-Approx. distance your traveled on your rental.

These are the four metrics I've been looking at. I haven't included gas as you'll need to pay for gas in whatever method you use to acquire a vehicle. And I haven't been including maintenance as that will vary and is not predictable. So I took my registration, your experience with insurance rather than my quote, my cost of rental from UHaul and two selections of mileage (yours* and mine). I'm not sure how that's considered cherry picking. *Looks like I made an error there and used 80 cents per mile rather than 65 cents per mile.... That changes the cost/rental by ~$12

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Fer sure. How many people do you know that would do something for themselves in less time than it would take to "earn" the money to pay someone else to do it? No a whole lot. Why? I dunno, I guess most people just like doing repetitive tasks for a longer amount of time than it would take to just fix their own stuff.
Depends if your job is repetitive But, most people don't have the know how or means to DIY. I personally have the know how, just not the means to do anything major (timing belt, clutch, etc.).


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“They used to call that all-purpose vehicle a station wagon.”

To which I say:
What is a SUV but a station wagon on a truck chassis with an extra drive axle?
What is a hatchback but a little station wagon built on a subcompact car platform?
Station wagons have to meet safety criteria for cars. So yes, an SUV is a wagon without the wagon safety standards/requirements.
Sure, hatchbacks could be considered like wagons - I guess. Just with less cargo area


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In order to do that, even with a general case, you'll need to have/present more information than just anecdotal accounts, to show that in general what you said is the case. I think defining stuff such as bounds and what you meant by "in general" quantitatively would be a good start. Not to say that what you said isn't true in general, unlike my response to your earlier statement, just that you need way more data to establish it in a scientific way IMO.
So get a quote from esurance for a 2000 F150 and a '81 F150 on top of your normal car. This way we all have something to compare to. Yes, the evidence provided is just barely anecdotal. Again, because we don't have everyone else's SS# to get insurance quotes. But UHaul rental rates appear to be the same, registration varies from state to state around 1 rental or so (we'll say yours is the low end, mind is on the higher end). Mileage does vary from person to person (so I've made effort to include the approx mileage you implicitly provided)..... What, specifically, are you looking for?


Don't get me wrong - I'm not attacking you personally... Although I will admit I'm not entirely satisfied when asked to show math - I put my SS# down to get numbers from an insurance company and then told I'm not being candid/straightforward. I can send a screen shot of the eMails I got if you want... Hell, I even got the distance from my local UHaul to my school's campus then to the foam drop off location to a gas station and then back to the same UHaul. 40 miles wasn't arbitrary - I took 30% over that mileage calculation and added ~1 to make it an even 40 .

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Lets see.... say you pay cheap insurance on a new 08 truck, at like 40 bucks a month, gas is 32 gallons, gas is $3.20, and in the end, you pay over $40,000 from interest, maintenance, gas, and everything else.

Or... You could rent it all for less than 500 bucks with all that stuff.

Now this is talking about a new vehicle. If we're talking about paying for a truck for 500 bucks, insuring and etc... then your good with just buying it.
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Am I not one of "others?" You asked to see the math So I chose two vehicles -and old one and one equivalent to the age of my DD. I'm willing to be most of the members here have vehicles that fall between that range.
Sure ya are. But as per RH77's statement V1, I'm not looking at what you situation is, I'm looking at what mine is as per the statement.
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Sure, but I don't have everyone' Social Security numbers to get insurance rates with I highly doubt anyone is going to give me their SS# on top of their hauling needs. I personally wouldn't do that - which is why I can only give my situation.
Sure, but I'm talking about my situation WRT statement V1, not yours or anyone else's.
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You were given time too. Initially 30 days, but in a reasonable comparison, 3-5 days, since most of what I do doesn't take a month, but can often take more than a day. And fuel use...
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So I took my registration, your experience with insurance rather than my quote, my cost of rental from UHaul and two selections of mileage (yours* and mine). I'm not sure how that's considered cherry picking.
It's cherry picking because it's not my situation wrt statement V1, it's a mix.
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Depends if your job is repetitive But, most people don't have the know how or means to DIY. I personally have the know how, just not the means to do anything major (timing belt, clutch, etc.).
I'm pretty sure the majority of jobs can be considered repetitive. That being said, tools for said jobs aren't as expensive as having them done IME. This too is YMMV, as it depends on how well you can repair stuff, including tools, and all sorts of things, but it's definitely possible to get a buncha tools for not too much cash.
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So get a quote from esurance for a 2000 F150 and a '81 F150 on top of your normal car. This way we all have something to compare to. Yes, the evidence provided is just barely anecdotal. Again, because we don't have everyone else's SS# to get insurance quotes. But UHaul rental rates appear to be the same, registration varies from state to state around 1 rental or so (we'll say yours is the low end, mind is on the higher end). Mileage does vary from person to person (so I've made effort to include the approx mileage you implicitly provided)..... What, specifically, are you looking for?
My use as per a counterexample to the statement V1. Now, you can use your own situation, but that's hardly something that applies to what I can do wrt the statement V1.

Like I said...
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If someone can point me in the direction of a company that offers vehicles in the range of ~$60-80/rental truck with 30 days, or even 3-5 days/unlimited mileage, or maybe less considering a vehicle I use would likely be setup for better efficiency, I'm game, since that would be roughly equivalent in terms of cost.
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Sure ya are. But as per RH77's statement V1, I'm not looking at what you situation is, I'm looking at what mine is as per the statement.
Sure, but I'm talking about my situation WRT statement V1, not yours or anyone else's.
You were given time too. Initially 30 days, but in a reasonable comparison, 3-5 days, since most of what I do doesn't take a month, but can often take more than a day. And fuel use...
It's cherry picking because it's not my situation wrt statement V1, it's a mix.
Well sounds like one big misunderstanding then - I thought other people's situation would have been fine after you asked for RH77's

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Do the Math.

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Show us yer math if ya would. I don't think so, but maybe you know the ins and outs of rentals better than I.

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