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Old 11-23-2018, 08:29 AM   #771 (permalink)
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The whole J1772, CHAdeMO, css charing protocols are built around non standard voltage batteries.
I don't know if tesla has a standard voltage.
The newest CHAdeMO standard does like 300 to 750 volts.

I find it interesting tesla can rely on CHAdeMO and css chargers if you have the adapter cord.

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Old 11-23-2018, 11:47 AM   #772 (permalink)
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If NHTSA doesn't want to compare vehicles in different weight classes, they shouldn't calculate and publish VSS' for them.
I suspect the NHTSA expects most automakers will not misuse that data to mislead the public.
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1,000 model 3's per day... and maintaining it.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/30/tesla...-reduce-costs/
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In that source they mention that each model 3 costs about $38,000, which is a problem because they are aiming for a $35,000 base model. On Twitter Musk said that if they sold the $35,000 version now they would die. Musk also reportedly gave the largest cause of their problems:

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[T]hey need to leverage the relative portability of their technology and partner with an automaker that as yet has no clearly defined future plans for electric vehicles, yet who are large enough to be a major automaker. I can think of two companies that would fit that description quite well at the moment: Subaru and Mazda.
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Tesla would sell Model 3 chassis and associated software and hardware to their partner company, who would engineer and design bodies (and all the associated interior parts, etc) for the Tesla-powered chassis.

There could be whole lines of Tesla-powered cars. Subaru could have a Tesla-Outback and Mazda a Tesla Mazda 3—anything that was roughly the same wheelbase as the Model 3 chassis. There could be multiple bodies and types of cars made for the Tesla skateboard chassis, and they could be built by companies with plenty of experience.
What do you guys think? I do not think this is the first time that I have read Musk is hurting himself by trying to reinvent everything.
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I'm updating my imagineering on this, one of my favorite pictures. Instead of Subaru Forester I'd drop a Vanagon body on a Tesla Model 3 chassis.

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In that source they mention that each model 3 costs about $38,000, which is a problem because they are aiming for a $35,000 base model. On Twitter Musk said that if they sold the $35,000 version now they would die. Musk also reportedly gave the largest cause of their problems:



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What do you guys think? I do not think this is the first time that I have read Musk is hurting himself by trying to reinvent everything.
I think it will be tough for Elon to trust any other company to add to their base, then call it a Subaru Tesla-outback .. for example. Elon has trust issues. He likes to control his own destiny. And perhaps the trust issues are justified, given Tesla's lack of success off-loading the design of the falcon door hardware, Model S door handles, etc etc.

I'm not sure why no one is presently partnering with Tesla to get the skateboard base and doing their own body, interior, etc to get an electric car to market quickly, not calling it a Tesla anything. The RAV4 worked fine for Toyota .. but that's stopped. Wasn't there another company that used Tesla power electronics and motors?

Perhaps it comes down to a Not-Invented-Here issue? Or too proud to farm out engineering, even to a company with proven expertise? Not wanting to give Tesla credit, given that Elon can have just a *BIT* of a EGO when it comes to such things ...
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In that source they mention that each model 3 costs about $38,000...

What do you guys think? I do not think this is the first time that I have read Musk is hurting himself by trying to reinvent everything.
Based on the tear-down of the long range version, it was estimated that Tesla could come near break even on a $35k "standard range" version.

My guess is they are there already, but it's best to push a narrative that pushes people on the fence into slightly higher tiers of expense (and profitability) than they had originally planned for. After all, if you are still production constrained, especially by body, then why sell cheaper versions of the car?

Tesla doesn't have a skateboard; it has a whole engineered car just like every car has been designed. If they had a skateboard, then the frame PN for the Model 3 would be the same as the X, and same as the S. They don't have a skateboard. It's all purpose built.

That said, Tesla has no reason to slap batteries into the same old ICE chassis that everyone else makes. The whole point is to re-imagine transportation. ICE-based EVs are terrible and need to go away. Partnering with another major automotive company is idiotic.
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Redpoint, Tesla is doing great on it's own? I have read the body is heavy because they use too many body panels that need to be joined. If they used fewer panels it would be cheaper and easier. We have had those super exciting discussions of panel gaps. Why not borrow from industry experts for just the body? They have a revolutionary drivetrain, why reinvent the body?

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