Toyota to make some EV's. Why are they so ass-ugly?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The Bolt is going new for low to mid 20s right now (manufacturer and Costco discounts), and Oregon buyers could get up to $5k in rebates. Used '17 examples are going for $14k and could be $11.5k after Oregon rebate. Prices might be even lower when the stop-sale lifts.

If I can get into a '17 Bolt for under $10k, it's a no-brainer for me.

Cadillac Portland and Buick GMC or Beaverton have 7 for sale for $14K

The cheapest ones on CarGuru

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

Cadillac Portland and Buick GMC or Beaverton have 7 for sale for $14K

The cheapest ones on CarGuru

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I'm not sure if they are ignoring the stop-sale, or are allowing sales but not deliveries.

There are some suckers on the Bolt forum that bought the car in December at December pricing with the understanding that they can't take delivery until the stop-sale is lifted. Who pre-pays for a depreciating asset with no delivery date? It's like those who pay for Tesla "Full self drive" upfront when the technology doesn't exist, and is certain to be cheaper in the future.

Anyhow, I've been tracking inventory on CarGurus for Oregon since November. At that time there were 125 available, and today there are 29. Inventory is 25% of what it was prior to the stop-sale and prices have risen since Jan. It can be 2 weeks or more for a new listing to appear.

There's a Google sheet tracking owners who have completed buybacks with Chevy. It's up to nearly 300 so far.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1888677641

Buyback Analytics
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F.../viewanalytics

[JSH]

Looks like they have a temporary fix and the stop sale is lifted.

From NHTSA:

Summary
General Motors has decided that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in select 2017-2019 model year Chevrolet Bolt EV vehicles. A select number of these vehicles were built with high voltage batteries produced at LG Chem’s Ochang, Korea facility that may pose a risk of fire when charged to full, or very close to full, capacity. While our investigation into this condition continues, GM has developed software that will limit vehicle charging to 90% of full capacity to mitigate this risk.

Safety Risk
If the batteries in select vehicles within this population are charged to full capacity, or very close to full capacity, the batteries may pose a risk of fire.

Remedy
As an interim remedy, dealers will reprogram the hybrid propulsion control module 2 (HPCM2) to limit full charge to 90%.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

Looks like they have a temporary fix and the stop sale is lifted.

That's not my understanding, and the lack of Bolt inventory suggests otherwise, and there's no mention of the stop sale being lifted on the Bolt forum.

Found this;

Dealer Responsibility – All
All new, used, GM Certified Used, courtesy transportation vehicles, dealer shuttle vehicles, etc. in dealers' possession
and subject to this recall must continue to be held following the successful completion of the interim service procedure in
this bulletin. A final repair is not available at this time. When a final repair is available, the service procedure in this
bulletin will be revised and dealers will be notified. Until a final repair is available and completed by the dealer, involved
vehicles must be held and not delivered to customers, dealer-traded, released to auction, used for demonstration, or any
other purpose

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/202...0V701-2489.pdf

[aerohead]

Former chief of design at General Motors, Wayne Cherry, applauded Franz von Holzhausen's restraint with Tesla's design, by not making the cars 'look' like electric cars.
Cherry used ' safe', 'conservative', ' beautifully executed', ' design-enhancing proportions', 'stance', 'harmony' to describe Tesla.
Cherry did feel that Holzhausen had missed an opportunity to use the nose to establish 'brand identity.'
Nissan's Director of Design showed no restraint with the nose of the Infiniti Q30, which Jens Meiners of CAR and DRIVER remarked, resembled a, ' catfish-with-cheeks-full-of-golf-balls'.
Personally, Tesla's spartan forward architecture has firmly established the marque's 'signature' by default.

[redpoint5]

As was mentioned elsewhere, the front is the one area where aesthetic have less restraint since changes there have less impact to the efficiency and utility of the vehicle, giving rise to the "nose establishing brand identity". In my view Tesla is among the few companies that executed a pleasing nose design, and everyone else established themselves as gimmick peddlers (aesthetically speaking).

[freebeard]

....Covered headlights before they were cool.

[MetroMPG]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Ha! That's a Cybertruck nose with greebling.

I learned a new word today.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Flakbadger

I always wanted a sci-fi future

There were times when sci-fi was more fascinating. Now sometimes it's quite frightening to daydream about the future, not because of how technology would evolve but how it could be used against us instead of improving our lives.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

There were times when sci-fi was more fascinating. Now sometimes it's quite frightening to daydream about the future, not because of how technology would evolve but how it could be used against us instead of improving our lives.

That's the inevitable course of humanity; that every newfound ability brings about increasingly difficult problems to solve until the problem finally becomes insurmountable. "I know an old lady that swallowed a fly, perhaps she'll die".

When humanity took control of their destiny in the Garden, they simultaneously sealed their fate. Ingenuity is a double-edged sword that cuts both ways.