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I think we can kickstart the human intervention requirement system by filling in obvious hotspots like Justin Bieber concerts, ... or that $%^&* discobar 2 floors up in my hotel, I'm tired and want to sleep but everything is vibrating with the beat.
C'mon, it is well after midnight and I need to be up again at 7 AM!

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Would it be demarcated by a wi-fi hotspot or GPS waypoint? Or both?

Roadside QR code?
Demarcated by making note of GPS coordinates at time of intervention and uploaded back to the manufacturer who runs the analytics to determine what is unsafe. The areas deemed unsafe to operate in AV mode are pushed back to the car during the next scheduled update, and the vehicle notifies the driver via very obvious icon that AV systems will not operate in those areas.

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that $%^&* discobar 2 floors up in my hotel, I'm tired and want to sleep but everything is vibrating with the beat.
C'mon, it is well after midnight and I need to be up again at 7 AM!
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I still think it would be in manufacturers best interest to have designated safe zones where autonomous features are allowed to operate, or at minimum define the unsafe or unknown zones where their systems are not sophisticated enough to ensure a reasonable level of safety.
But what happens when the vehicle transitions from an "autonomous safe" zone to an unsafe one, but the human driver doesn't resume control? Have an out-of-control vehicle, or one that suddenly brakes to a stop, creating an obstacle and possible multi-vehicle pileup?
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But what happens when the vehicle transitions from an "autonomous safe" zone to an unsafe one, but the human driver doesn't resume control? Have an out-of-control vehicle, or one that suddenly brakes to a stop, creating an obstacle and possible multi-vehicle pileup?
Dunno, but it would be some combination of visual and audio queues that progressively get more obnoxious, finally to the point where the car slows down and eventually stops.
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The same applies any time the auto-pilot requests human input. It's the 'Achilles heel' of autonomous driving.
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The same applies any time the auto-pilot requests human input. It's the 'Achilles heel' of autonomous driving.
It would have to be more aggressive about demanding driver attention, for sure. That is the first problem to tackle.
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Instead of having computers that take over safety decisions, how about computers that set off the air bag when you are using your phone?

Maybe a giant party horn? Those are reusable, right?
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I am going with the car is requesting human intervention/response too late in the process which would make that process way more conservative that users would accept.

I haven't been paying attention to the accident rate out in the boonies driving down the superslabs, but I havent heard much about collisions with animals or such, just abutments, traffic, and guard rails.
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Tesla starts enabling full self-driving features.

Elon Musk tweeted this:
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That issue is better in latest Autopilot software rolling out now & fully fixed in August update as part of our long-awaited Tesla Version 9. To date, Autopilot resources have rightly focused entirely on safety. With V9, we will begin to enable full self-driving features.
The news agencies spin it into full self-driving capabilities by August, but Musk's wording is vague enough to not be committing to that.
Nonetheless, something is brewing.
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The VP of Arcimoto, on Saturday, talked about self-parking/garaging. Maybe if autonomous operation were confined to 5-10mph or less it wouldn't be so lethal?

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