is using slush cheating? - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum

larrybuck · 02-27-2014, 04:05 PM

For months I've been working on coming to a stop sign without braking.

I finally was able to get it done 2 trips in a row. I'm not talking about the exact same spot, but a fair batter's box if you will.

The 1st one I was actually held back from over run as there is a slight uphill
lip as the 2 roads meet which caught my car.

The 2nd one was further back, more standard looking.

Both runs were different. ( day, night, some grocery weight, other was
truck delivering trip luggage weight, one pavement dry, 2nd was wet)

So I finally got some real snow here about 2-3 weeks back.
This side road was plowed, but not perfect. About 30 yards from getting
to the stop sign, was still a 50 yard packed snow area, which I observed
going in the opposite direction as I started a short stopping trip.

So on this #3 great run, I remembered the packed patch, and tried to determine shift out of gear line, but gave the patch too much credit,
my speed too great so I angled into the shoulder slush to brake without
using my brake.

My question: Did I violate the pureness of how I am to stop, or would you think any acceptable braking outside of using my brake is ok?

I DID CREATE DRAG, that ugly word by my lateral doings.

Whatcha think?

gone-ot · 02-27-2014, 04:16 PM

Everything's LEGAL...until your either: (1) get caught or (2) crash (wink,wink).

P-hack · 02-27-2014, 04:45 PM

Yah, you wasted energy due to overmomentum, I think that is the bottom line.

mcrews · 02-27-2014, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

Everything's LEGAL...until your either: (1) get caught or (2) crash (wink,wink).

old tele beat me!!!!!

soft bumps are ok.....if the other driver doesn't notice!!

RedDevil · 02-27-2014, 05:00 PM

I'd rather avoid the slush and gently dap the brake pads to the rusty brake disks, to give them back some of their ole shine...

niky · 02-27-2014, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-hack

Yah, you wasted energy due to overmomentum, I think that is the bottom line.

This.

yoyoyoda · 03-01-2014, 08:38 PM

Just ride it like you would a bicycle, if you know what that's like then driving a car will never feel the same again

What you need to do is practice practice practice, at slow speeds of 20-30km/h.

I suggest practicing on a closed street with a small amount of acceleration, possibly without any shoes on.

Then gradually add acceleration to the mix until you learn how to hit the mark spot on every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbud1gqXB0

Even the ISS has to accelerate sometime due to drag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MR3daaWLXI

Or install an air brake on the rear of your car and attach it to your floor via spring loaded cable.

Technically its not cheating because you're not using your brakes.

Maybe call it an "air diverting hand" or something.

niky · 03-02-2014, 02:01 AM

The whole point of it being cheating is that you've put more energy into acceleration than you strictly need to get to the next stop.

Replace airbrake with an electricity generating windmill, though...

JRMichler · 03-02-2014, 01:37 PM

Braking is braking, whether you do it with the service brakes, parking brake, downshifting, running through slush, veering onto a soft shoulder, or drifting.

It's useful to know these tricks for situations where the brakes fail. I have twice driven cars with no brakes at all. But if your goal is to drive without brakes, then these techniques are cheating.