VW's 'Electrify America'

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by JSH

Looking at the Supercharger map tells a different story. Yes you can cross the country using the network - if you are happy to only travel roads that Tesla has installed chargers. If you want to get off the beaten path you are out of luck.

In Oregon you can travel I-5, I-85, and 101. The other 2/3rds of the state is off limits. I know a couple that both own a Model X and they choose their travel based on access to chargers.

When I was in Kansas City test-driving the Model S,the Tesla folks there said they were installing 13-Supercharger stations a day,and that,ultimately,there'd be a station every 134-miles.
Rome wasn't built in a day.And when gasoline automobiles first came out,there were neither paved roads,nor gas stations available.
It will take time,and the scientists say we've got a little,so maybe it will turn out okay.I probably won't live long enough to know.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

Looking at the Supercharger map tells a different story. Yes you can cross the country using the network - if you are happy to only travel roads that Tesla has installed chargers. If you want to get off the beaten path you are out of luck.

In Oregon you can travel I-5, I-85, and 101. The other 2/3rds of the state is off limits. I know a couple that both own a Model X and they choose their travel based on access to chargers.

Well don't forget highway 22/20. The other 2/3 of the state sucks anyhow, and not many people visit those areas. I've been to one of the "inaccessible" places, Burns, once in my lifetime. Looks like Burns is scheduled to get a Supercharger.

Montana looks particularly sparse.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Rome wasn't built in a day. And when gasoline automobiles first came out,there were neither paved roads,nor gas stations available...

True, the charging network is getting better day by day. The biggest issue is the fractional nature of it. CCS is the adopted standard plug in the USA but Tesla and Nissan continue to make cars with different plugs. That means the charging network is a hodgepodge of 4 different plug types.

Then there is the fact that most charging networks don't accept credit cards. Instead you have to download an app, join their network, put a minimum amount on the account (usually $20). That is all before you can charge your car.

None of this helps the adoption of EVs.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Well don't forget highway 22/20. The other 2/3 of the state sucks anyhow, and not many people visit those areas. I've been to one of the "inaccessible" places, Burns, once in my lifetime. Looks like Burns is scheduled to get a Supercharger.

Montana looks particularly sparse.

The chargers in Detroit are new since a last looked. So now my friends can finally go to Bend.

The other 2/3rds of the state is AWESOME. Great hiking, fishing, rafting, riding. Yes, you can do those things around the Portland metro but you will be doing it with 10 of your best buddies you have never seen before.

Too many people in PDX like to get outdoors. It is near impossible to find a campsite within 2 hours of PDX on a Friday evening unless you skip out of work early.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

The chargers in Detroit are new since a last looked. So now my friends can finally go to Bend.

The other 2/3rds of the state is AWESOME. Great hiking, fishing, rafting, riding. Yes, you can do those things around the Portland metro but you will be doing it with 10 of your best buddies you have never seen before.

Too many people in PDX like to get outdoors. It is near impossible to find a campsite within 2 hours of PDX on a Friday evening unless you skip out of work early.

The 6 chargers have been in the town of 900 since 2013. Back then I just chuckled wondering what Tesla was thinking. The Model S had been out for just a year. I'm sure they are getting more use now.

Agreed about outdoors being crowded in the Portland area, though there's still some less traveled stuff... I grew up in Salem, so most of my outdoor areas are infrequently visited. Dozens of logging roads up highway 22. I had never paid to camp until a few years ago when I visited Yellowstone. I didn't even realize that was much of a thing and was pretty upset to pay $20 for a concrete pad in a crowded desert campsite. The camp administrator yelled at me for grabbing a broken twig that was hanging by a thread from a tree to use as a roasting stick. He threatened to send me to federal prison. Good thing he didn't see the dead tree I pushed over and hacked into firewood.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The 6 chargers have been in the town of 900 since 2013. Back then I just chuckled wondering what Tesla was thinking. The Model S had been out for just a year. I'm sure they are getting more use now.

You sure about that? Those friends I mentioned didn't know they existed and they own Teslas. We've talked about going to Bend but they said they would have to drive down to Eugene and over or over to the Dalles and down.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Agreed about outdoors being crowded in the Portland area, though there's still some less traveled stuff... I grew up in Salem, so most of my outdoor areas are infrequently visited. Dozens of logging roads up highway 22. I had never paid to camp until a few years ago when I visited Yellowstone. I didn't even realize that was much of a thing and was pretty upset to pay $20 for a concrete pad in a crowded desert campsite. The camp administrator yelled at me for grabbing a broken twig that was hanging by a thread from a tree to use as a roasting stick. He threatened to send me to federal prison. Good thing he didn't see the dead tree I pushed over and hacked into firewood.

Detroit is 3-4 hours on a Friday afternoon. It is at least an extra hour to get across Portland.

I'm talking about dispersed camping. Head towards the ocean on a Friday and you will find every little clearing off a forest road taken for miles away from 26, 6, or 53. I've only been here 4 years but the couple we camp with has been here for decades and he knows every little place to fish in NW Oregon / SW Washington.

[redpoint5]

I haven't been camping much around the PDX area, but when I do it's usually on Hood. There's free camping to be found around there.

My goto in the Detroit area is up Breitenbush road.

I'm certain about the Superchargers. Actually thought they had been there longer than 6 years since it seems so long ago that I was regularly visiting the area.

[NeilBlanchard]

I have had 5 EV's for over 5 years, and have charged in public maybe 2 dozen times. My extended family has had 12 EV's for over 8 years, and that would probably put the number of public charging sessions up to about 50.

Public charging does need expanding and improving - mostly we need accurate real-time status information, and if we could see all the charging stations history of reliability and availability, no matter what network they are on - that would be great.

[freebeard]

My goto in the Detroit area is up Breitenbush road.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitenbush_Hot_Springs This reminds me I don't get out much anymore.

I'm certain about the Superchargers. Actually thought they had been there longer than 6 years since it seems so long ago that I was regularly visiting the area.

I remember that as well, but Google site search doesn't.

Were I in an electric tadpole, I could make it to my brother's house and recharge overnight. Then day trip to Willamina.

[Vman455]

Originally Posted by JSH

Looking at the Supercharger map tells a different story. Yes you can cross the country using the network - if you are happy to only travel roads that Tesla has installed chargers. If you want to get off the beaten path you are out of luck.

I found myself thinking about this last week as I crossed Pennsylvania on the turnpike, seeing exactly one Model 3 in nearly 200 miles and no Superchargers at the travel plazas. The map shows two Superchargers along that route, and you have to get off the interstate (and go through a toll plaza) to get to either of them.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Most of the charging stations accessible on a 24/7 basis that I have seen here in Brazil are located in Ipiranga gas stations and use the BMW charger, but I'm not sure about their availability on a nationwide basis.