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Old 07-08-2014, 01:44 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Why is an ancient forest in Antarctica?
Ever hear of plate tectonics? (AKA continental drift.) Short answer is that Antartica wasn't always at the south pole. Indeed, it was once close to the equator, while back in the Cretaceous period, Australia (then part of Gondwana) was at the pole.

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What caused the climate to be so tropical in the past?
Lots of things, including the fact that there was a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere, which eventually became coal and oil deposits..

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]What caused the Ice Ages?
Milankovitch cycles: Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Honestly, haven't we been through all this before? Could we move all these supposed questions (which have been debunked over and over and over) into the Unicorn Corral, where the true believers can discuss them while they fiddle around trying to get their HHO generators to work.

 
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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People ought to be concerned about people, not so much the earth. Attempting to preserve current conditions, or at least lower the rate of change, probably just happens to be in our best interests.
Yeah, it's like living on the space station: you may not be all that concerned about the life support system for itself, but because it's what keeps you alive. And if you didn't have those Soyuz escape capsules handy, you would probably be a lot more concerned :-)
 
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:46 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Look into the mirror and repeat after me: "We have met the enemy and it is us."
 
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Old 07-08-2014, 10:46 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Yeah but what about diesel trucks?
Frank, is that what you had in mind when you began this thread, titled "Where does food come from?"

Actually, most food is delivered over long distances by refrigerated railcar or by transport ships from other countries. The use of diesel trucks is usually the last part of the transport network that bring food to our tables.
 
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Exactly my point. You need so much more then the Sun, and water, the Moon, the atmosphere, amazing programming in the seed, minerals, soil, etc, etc, etc. The odds of all these things coming together on their own is the same as a tornado going through a junkyard and assembling a fully functional space shuttle out the other side. I'm just talking about a simple bean sprout, now make me an eagle's eye. I do appreciate the level of faith it takes to think such things organized themselves out of caos, I'll just stick with the obvious this was all designed this way.
You can thank modern agricultural methods and technology for that.

We could have the sun, and water, and the moon and atmosphere and end up living in a desert like environment here on earth, after having eroded the soil to the point where is was no longer viable to support agriculture well, if at all.

Isn't that what happened to Africa?
 
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Good point.

As for global temperatures, from a geological perspective:
<sigh>

Once charts and graphs are dragged into a discussion it reminds me of the strategy of former presidential candidate, Ross Perot. Ol' Ross was dependent upon his props and he wasn't very convincing without them.
 
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Food? It comes out of the ground or ocean.

I can't believe I read the whole thing. Shouldn't this be moved to The Lounge?
You can lobby for it, but no one is forcing you to read this thread.

Perhaps you didn't notice, but this thread already IS in "The Lounge".

Should we do away with "The Lounge"?

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Conservative and Liberal as labels has lost all meaning.
Conservatives don't think so. Liberals don't think so.

Maybe "Democrat" and "Republican" have lost their meanings.

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The only true 'conservatives' are the Amish and the hippies.
OK. Now tell us who the true 'Liberals' are.

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Frank, is that what you had in mind when you began this thread, titled "Where does food come from?"
This isn't my thread- do try to follow along.
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Once charts and graphs are dragged into a discussion it reminds me of the strategy of former presidential candidate, Ross Perot. Ol' Ross was dependent upon his props and he wasn't very convincing without them.
I was hoping the chart would make light of things. Climate has been far colder, and far warmer than it is today and life is still around. Maybe one day we'll be coal or oil burned in the engines of our successors?
 
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Once charts and graphs are dragged into a discussion it reminds me of the strategy of former presidential candidate, Ross Perot. Ol' Ross was dependent upon his props and he wasn't very convincing without them.
And he was right, wasn't he. So does the fault lie with the salesman or the customer?

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