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Old 02-12-2018, 04:48 AM   #971 (permalink)
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Huh? What are you talking about? We know what caused it - particulates in the air.
Swing and a miss.
The 1970s cool down is going to happen again.
They assumed it was smoke particulate, it wasn't till years later the true reason was discovered.
We have discussed the 1970s cool down mechanism on this post at least twice.
Do the eyes of the believers automatically redact anything that does not agree with man driven climate change?

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Old 02-12-2018, 05:02 AM   #972 (permalink)
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Solar minimum?

Over what time frame do you suppose an eleven year solar cycle causes changes in the climate? Through a multi-decade spike, or an oscillation within the frame of that cycle?

Same question for the oft-cited Milkanovitch cycles... over what time period should the change occur? Obviously not in that same sharp multi-decade spike, but in a smooth cyclical twenty six thousand year wave, right?

The effects of these cycles are known. And have been studied. And the current warming trend is decoupled from both. In fact, the effects of solar variance are so small as to often be lost in the noise caused by volcanic eruptions and carbon-emission led warming.



Uh, Neil and I both answered this before you posted. If "no one" includes the entire climate science community, yes, you may be right.


Partially genetic or epigenetic. Of course, we do not know the EXACT switches that cause it, but it is widely recognized as faulty brain wiring and neurotransmitter imbalance. There are signs now (this was my morning reading a while ago) that it shares genetic markers with schizophrenia, and signs that some cases are misdiagnosed schiz.

Which doesn't surprise me, because when they expanded the scope of ASD under DSM IV, everyone and their mother was "diagnosing" new cases of autism... which fueled the "autism epidemic" in mass media, borne of faulty statistical comparisons and the fact that once mild, undiagnosed cases were now brought into the spotlight.

Yes, vaccines didn't cause the "epidemic". Media alarmism and over-zealous diagnosticians did.
Big difference between solar minimum and Grand solar minimum aka maunder minimum. Grand solar minimum is a roughly 300 to 400 year cycle and is believed to have helped cause the little ice age.

I find it rather humorous the believers are unaware of various global cool down mechanisms.

I dont believe Milkanovitch cycles are playing any real part in our modern climate change. I am pretty sure that this is the only post where I have even even mentioned them is right here and now.
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Big difference between solar minimum and Grand solar minimum aka maunder minimum. Grand solar minimum is a roughly 300 to 400 year cycle and is believed to have helped cause the little ice age.

I find it rather humorous the believers are unaware of various global cool down mechanisms.

I dont believe Milkanovitch cycles are playing any real part in our modern climate change. I am pretty sure that this is the only post where I have even even mentioned them is right here and now.
Again. On what time frame does a 400 year cycle act? You're not going to get no cooling for several decades only for it to drop at the grand minimum.

Scientists are NOT unaware of the cycle, and while it has been shown to have an effect on climate, that effect is LESS than the current one.
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The coming Solar grand minimum isn't a 400 year cycle per say. It's something that happens every 400 years. Not like the solar output goes up and down like a sine wave with a 400 year period. Scientists are starting to talk about 2050 and expect the total solar output to be 7% less than average. The last mini ice age lasted 75 years. The Baltic sea froze over.
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During a solar minimum, the Sun produces far fewer solar flares and sunspots, and as a result, much less ultraviolet radiation is shot out into space and towards Earth. This can have a number of effects on our planet, including changes in the thickness of the stratospheric ozone layer and temperatures far above ground. Those changes can affect weather, though forecasting specific differences has proven difficult. The grand minimum will be an exaggerated version of the typical solar minimum, and could produce some very noticeable effects.
Everyone focuses on the electromagnetic radiation. That varies less than the charged particles, which are euphemized as 'solar wind'.

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Yes, vaccines didn't cause the "epidemic". Media alarmism and over-zealous diagnosticians did.
Whatever the cause, it wasn't a big deal until autism was weaponized. "He will not divide us". That was a warmup for what going down right now.
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People insist scientists know exactly what causes autism. When I ask them to enlighten me they mumble incoherently.
What? Scientists make no such claims. That would be speculation - which scientists are loathe to do.
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Swing and a miss.
The 1970s cool down is going to happen again.
They assumed it was smoke particulate, it wasn't till years later the true reason was discovered.
We have discussed the 1970s cool down mechanism on this post at least twice.
Do the eyes of the believers automatically redact anything that does not agree with man driven climate change?
No scientist said that the brief period of cooling would lead to an ice age. We now know that it was caused by particulate pollution. We learn more and more as we go, and as more data is gathered.

Again, you rely on some vague conspiracy. That means you don't know what you are talking about.
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Do the eyes of the believers automatically redact anything that does not agree with man driven climate change?
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Again, you rely on some vague conspiracy. That means you don't know what you are talking about.
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Since you can't seem to find the name of my personal conspiracy on your own, the answer in the form of a question is:
What is the Beaufort gyre?
If you can't figure it out from there, then there's no hope for you.
The gyre is primed to cause another 1970s cool down starting anytime now and the longer it waits the worse it's going to be.

All the man made global warming believers wish the 1970s cool down was caused by man made soot particles. That means it probably wouldn't happen again.
But I have read that China and India are both individually making as much if not more soot pollution now than the US ever did and that it's only going to get worse before it gets better. So is America made soot that much more superior to the Chinese made stuff?

The grand solar minimum isn't here yet, but by 2050 it could be in full effect. One of the 11 year solar cycles is going to go minimum and stay minimum, several of the 11 year cycles just aren't going happen, or are barely going to happen.
The problem isn't the barely measurable drop in solar irradiance it's the lack of solar wind and the invasion of cosmic rays on the upper atmosphere, which causes high altitude cloud formation, which blocks the sun. Scientists are just beginning to be able to study this as large enough gaps in solar wind are happening for long enough and regularly enough to actually study the phenomenon.
Based on sun spot observations the 11 year cycles decline in activity then it just drops into maunder minimum. The sun appears to go from fairly reduced level cycles to nearly nothing in as little as 20 years. Problem is sun spot observations date back to the 1600s, just as the maunder minimum was already starting so no one can say for sure exactly when.
The maunder minimum not part of a slow, gentile, barely noticeable change like the Milkanovitch cycle, more like a stock market crash followed by a recession and recovery.
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Again, you rely on some vague conspiracy. That means you don't know what you are talking about.
Two words —*Electric Universe*

In addition to the Gyre, the Grand Minimum and the shrinking Heliosphere we're entering an interstellar void which means that incident Cosmic radiation is higher.

If you can believe scientists.

Solar activity affects health, including ideation. Perhaps that explains the curious popularity of the Flat Earth proofs infecting Youtube.

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