The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Swing and a miss.
The 1970s cool down is going to happen again.
They assumed it was smoke particulate, it wasn't till years later the true reason was discovered.
We have discussed the 1970s cool down mechanism on this post at least twice.
Do the eyes of the believers automatically redact anything that does not agree with man driven climate change?

No scientist said that the brief period of cooling would lead to an ice age. We now know that it was caused by particulate pollution. We learn more and more as we go, and as more data is gathered.

Again, you rely on some vague conspiracy. That means you don't know what you are talking about.

[freebeard]

Do the eyes of the believers automatically redact anything that does not agree with man driven climate change?
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Again, you rely on some vague conspiracy. That means you don't know what you are talking about.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Roscoe P. Coletrain

[oil pan 4]

Since you can't seem to find the name of my personal conspiracy on your own, the answer in the form of a question is:
What is the Beaufort gyre?
If you can't figure it out from there, then there's no hope for you.
The gyre is primed to cause another 1970s cool down starting anytime now and the longer it waits the worse it's going to be.

All the man made global warming believers wish the 1970s cool down was caused by man made soot particles. That means it probably wouldn't happen again.
But I have read that China and India are both individually making as much if not more soot pollution now than the US ever did and that it's only going to get worse before it gets better. So is America made soot that much more superior to the Chinese made stuff?

The grand solar minimum isn't here yet, but by 2050 it could be in full effect. One of the 11 year solar cycles is going to go minimum and stay minimum, several of the 11 year cycles just aren't going happen, or are barely going to happen.
The problem isn't the barely measurable drop in solar irradiance it's the lack of solar wind and the invasion of cosmic rays on the upper atmosphere, which causes high altitude cloud formation, which blocks the sun. Scientists are just beginning to be able to study this as large enough gaps in solar wind are happening for long enough and regularly enough to actually study the phenomenon.
Based on sun spot observations the 11 year cycles decline in activity then it just drops into maunder minimum. The sun appears to go from fairly reduced level cycles to nearly nothing in as little as 20 years. Problem is sun spot observations date back to the 1600s, just as the maunder minimum was already starting so no one can say for sure exactly when.
The maunder minimum not part of a slow, gentile, barely noticeable change like the Milkanovitch cycle, more like a stock market crash followed by a recession and recovery.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Again, you rely on some vague conspiracy. That means you don't know what you are talking about.

Two words —*Electric Universe*

In addition to the Gyre, the Grand Minimum and the shrinking Heliosphere we're entering an interstellar void which means that incident Cosmic radiation is higher.

If you can believe scientists.

Solar activity affects health, including ideation. Perhaps that explains the curious popularity of the Flat Earth proofs infecting Youtube.

[oil pan 4]

I was saving the one about our solar system transitioning into intergalactic space for later.

[niky]

SO2 is still falling, even with China and India. And China is going clean energy faster than anyone else.



The increase in Chinese emissions does not match the decrease in Western emissions... there is still a net loss.



Interestingly, denier pages are obsessed over SO2, as if climate scientists were completely ignoring it (they're not... we've been talking about the effects of SO2 regulations and how they affect warming for decades).

And here: is an example of China actually cleaning up:

[oil pan 4]

I have never posted about SO2 before, because it's too easy to track.
Plus it looks like those charts only go to about 2010, which was the middle of a world wide economic slow down.
Less economic demand, less energy use, less pollution.
Looks like Indias use of energy and likely their growth exploded right through the world wide slowdown like it never even happen as far as they are concerned.
If India stayed on that course they have likely caught up to the US, may even surpassed us.

China is destroying their environment to go green, kind of ironic.

[ksa8907]

And if there weren't enough moving pieces already, here's another phenomenon that is causing change. https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe...eReversal.html

Again, my opinion on global warming: humans may be affecting our climate, but to say we are causing global warming is incredibly naive.

[oil pan 4]

There will likely be little to no measurable increase in radiation at ground level. But higher up solar radiation will will very likely penetrate the upper atmosphere, like cosmic rays do when solar wind is lacking and increase upper level clouds. Causing some cooling, but shouldn't be anything near mass extinction level.

[RedDevil]

I don't see how magnetic pole reversal (which has not happened in the last 780,000 years) diminishes the likelihood that recent climate changes are man made?