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Old 03-12-2018, 07:59 PM   #1071 (permalink)
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We must remamber human species it's just a f... greed animal.
I'm not proud of be a member of this species.
If not homo sapiens, which species would you be proud to be a member of? All are greedy; we just happen to be the only ones capable of moral agency.

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Old 03-12-2018, 09:10 PM   #1072 (permalink)
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Get ride of all policies (federal, local), all security guards, all the army, and let's see how much morals are left.

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Old 03-12-2018, 09:18 PM   #1073 (permalink)
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We must remamber human species it's just a f... greed animal.
I'm not proud of be a member of this species.
Well, speak for yourself.

A popular psychologist (initials JBP) suggests that to act responsibly one must accept the inner monster and control it. That's exactly what ancient myth and Shakespeare is all about. What we get from Hollywierd is 'action' which produces........Mean World Syndrome


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Well, this somehow supports what I said.

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Well, speak for yourself.

A popular psychologist (initials JBP) suggests that to act responsibly one must accept the inner monster and control it. That's exactly what ancient myth and Shakespeare is all about.
 
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The Socratic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presumptions.
That you make the statement suggests you know the answer already. All you can do is work on yourself. Those others are on their own path, help or pity as you choose.


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When it's Greenpeace calling humanity irresponsible and other worse adjetives, for destroying the planet and kill esch other, or someone making critics to his own country atitudes, people don't get upset or looking weird.

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Get ride of all policies (federal, local), all security guards, all the army, and let's see how much morals are left.
Many isolated tribes and villages manage to go a long time without everyone killing each other.

Police aren't around 24/7. And in some parts of the world, the police are less than useless against those with the money to igore the law.

And yet somehow, a vast majority of us manage to treat each other with dignity and respect.
 
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Tribes have their own laws and rules and punishments.
Japan and Finland have very educated people, and I remamber about a lot of nice cooperation after tsunami event in Japan.
And education in some way also thanks to some high rate of punishment for crimes, high rate of crimes solved, high rate of justice working.

But in worldwide terms it's a minority of world.
Take south states of USA and take my country (Brazil). With no police they broke stores and get what they want.

There is a huge difference about to say a basic nature it's bad and say a person it's bad. But to create a good person requires a lot of work. To create a bad person it take by itself, nature, just let on, let it roll...

People think children are pure. They are not. They are innocent, that's different. Children are a example of human nature. Take teens, are even worse, it's nature with out of controll sexual isntints leading to agressive behavior and even some sadic behavior. I was a teen and I didn't liked most teens, cause many was quite like animals.

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Many isolated tribes and villages manage to go a long time without everyone killing each other.

Police aren't around 24/7. And in some parts of the world, the police are less than useless against those with the money to igore the law.

And yet somehow, a vast majority of us manage to treat each other with dignity and respect.

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Police aren't around 24/7. And in some parts of the world, the police are less than useless against those with the money to igore the law.

And yet somehow, a vast majority of us manage to treat each other with dignity and respect.
I'll point out here that police aren't first responders, they are last responders. We must self-police to some degree to maintain order because we are the only ones present in every situation we find ourselves.

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Japan and Finland have very educated people, and I remamber about a lot of nice cooperation after tsunami event in Japan

...to create a good person requires a lot of work. To create a bad person it take by itself, nature, just let on, let it roll...

People think children are pure. They are not. They are innocent, that's different. Children are a example of human nature. Take teens, are even worse, it's nature with out of controll sexual isntints leading to agressive behavior and even some sadic behavior.
Japan's cooperation is not due to education, it's due to different cultural values that place community above individual. You even address individuals by their family name because that is their identity, part of a larger unit. Since the individual is de-emphasised, there is more prosocial behavior. The downside of this is that people who don't feel they contribute to the betterment of their group feel ashamed and depressed. Japan has higher rates of suicide than murder. In that culture, it is more honorable to die than to live on in disgrace.

A perfect society may very well be a blend of Japanese values of family and community, and US values of individual worth and freedom. Having a balanced perspective of finding value as both an individual and as part of a community protects against both self-loathing and anger towards society.

My observation is that life is a process of letting go of self-centeredness. We all enter the world complete psychopaths with no regard or concept of others, and to varying degrees grow to value the wellbeing of others.

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