The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[sendler]

I've never heard anyone, scientists or otherwise, purport to know what causes autism.

[freebeard]

Autism represents the forward evolution of the species.

High functioning autists are currently dismantling the Deep State — via pseudocode posts on 8chan. Shia Lebeouf was just a warm-up.

Some are instantiated with heave propensity to autism, those with bad/misunderstanding parents are turned into vegetables.

Mumble, mumble....

[Xist]

People rant against those against vaccines and I ask "So, what does cause autism?"

I imagine that many people never ask this question, but then again, most people do not have siblings with autism.

Yet...

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[niky]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

We will see how much warming there is when the Beaufort gyre unloads, grand solar minimum and the mount pinatubo level eruption we are over due for happens.
Pollution had nothing to do with the 1970s cool down.
But I like how the believers think everything is man's fault.

Solar minimum?

Over what time frame do you suppose an eleven year solar cycle causes changes in the climate? Through a multi-decade spike, or an oscillation within the frame of that cycle?

Same question for the oft-cited Milkanovitch cycles... over what time period should the change occur? Obviously not in that same sharp multi-decade spike, but in a smooth cyclical twenty six thousand year wave, right?

The effects of these cycles are known. And have been studied. And the current warming trend is decoupled from both. In fact, the effects of solar variance are so small as to often be lost in the noise caused by volcanic eruptions and carbon-emission led warming.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

No one seems to know what caused the 1970s cool down.
This is rich.
Just more "just more it was man's fault" and now "it never happened".

Uh, Neil and I both answered this before you posted. If "no one" includes the entire climate science community, yes, you may be right.

Originally Posted by Xist

People insist scientists know exactly what causes autism. When I ask them to enlighten me they mumble incoherently.

Partially genetic or epigenetic. Of course, we do not know the EXACT switches that cause it, but it is widely recognized as faulty brain wiring and neurotransmitter imbalance. There are signs now (this was my morning reading a while ago) that it shares genetic markers with schizophrenia, and signs that some cases are misdiagnosed schiz.

Which doesn't surprise me, because when they expanded the scope of ASD under DSM IV, everyone and their mother was "diagnosing" new cases of autism... which fueled the "autism epidemic" in mass media, borne of faulty statistical comparisons and the fact that once mild, undiagnosed cases were now brought into the spotlight.

Yes, vaccines didn't cause the "epidemic". Media alarmism and over-zealous diagnosticians did.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Huh? What are you talking about? We know what caused it - particulates in the air.

Swing and a miss.
The 1970s cool down is going to happen again.
They assumed it was smoke particulate, it wasn't till years later the true reason was discovered.
We have discussed the 1970s cool down mechanism on this post at least twice.
Do the eyes of the believers automatically redact anything that does not agree with man driven climate change?

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by niky

Solar minimum?

Over what time frame do you suppose an eleven year solar cycle causes changes in the climate? Through a multi-decade spike, or an oscillation within the frame of that cycle?

Same question for the oft-cited Milkanovitch cycles... over what time period should the change occur? Obviously not in that same sharp multi-decade spike, but in a smooth cyclical twenty six thousand year wave, right?

The effects of these cycles are known. And have been studied. And the current warming trend is decoupled from both. In fact, the effects of solar variance are so small as to often be lost in the noise caused by volcanic eruptions and carbon-emission led warming.



Uh, Neil and I both answered this before you posted. If "no one" includes the entire climate science community, yes, you may be right.


Partially genetic or epigenetic. Of course, we do not know the EXACT switches that cause it, but it is widely recognized as faulty brain wiring and neurotransmitter imbalance. There are signs now (this was my morning reading a while ago) that it shares genetic markers with schizophrenia, and signs that some cases are misdiagnosed schiz.

Which doesn't surprise me, because when they expanded the scope of ASD under DSM IV, everyone and their mother was "diagnosing" new cases of autism... which fueled the "autism epidemic" in mass media, borne of faulty statistical comparisons and the fact that once mild, undiagnosed cases were now brought into the spotlight.

Yes, vaccines didn't cause the "epidemic". Media alarmism and over-zealous diagnosticians did.

Big difference between solar minimum and Grand solar minimum aka maunder minimum. Grand solar minimum is a roughly 300 to 400 year cycle and is believed to have helped cause the little ice age.

I find it rather humorous the believers are unaware of various global cool down mechanisms.

I dont believe Milkanovitch cycles are playing any real part in our modern climate change. I am pretty sure that this is the only post where I have even even mentioned them is right here and now.

[niky]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Big difference between solar minimum and Grand solar minimum aka maunder minimum. Grand solar minimum is a roughly 300 to 400 year cycle and is believed to have helped cause the little ice age.

I find it rather humorous the believers are unaware of various global cool down mechanisms.

I dont believe Milkanovitch cycles are playing any real part in our modern climate change. I am pretty sure that this is the only post where I have even even mentioned them is right here and now.

Again. On what time frame does a 400 year cycle act? You're not going to get no cooling for several decades only for it to drop at the grand minimum.

Scientists are NOT unaware of the cycle, and while it has been shown to have an effect on climate, that effect is LESS than the current one.

[sendler]

The coming Solar grand minimum isn't a 400 year cycle per say. It's something that happens every 400 years. Not like the solar output goes up and down like a sine wave with a 400 year period. Scientists are starting to talk about 2050 and expect the total solar output to be 7% less than average. The last mini ice age lasted 75 years. The Baltic sea froze over.
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The Sun is getting cooler and dimmer, but scientists aren’t worried – BGR
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[freebeard]

During a solar minimum, the Sun produces far fewer solar flares and sunspots, and as a result, much less ultraviolet radiation is shot out into space and towards Earth. This can have a number of effects on our planet, including changes in the thickness of the stratospheric ozone layer and temperatures far above ground. Those changes can affect weather, though forecasting specific differences has proven difficult. The grand minimum will be an exaggerated version of the typical solar minimum, and could produce some very noticeable effects.

Everyone focuses on the electromagnetic radiation. That varies less than the charged particles, which are euphemized as 'solar wind'.

Originally Posted by niky

Yes, vaccines didn't cause the "epidemic". Media alarmism and over-zealous diagnosticians did.

Whatever the cause, it wasn't a big deal until autism was weaponized. "He will not divide us". That was a warmup for what going down right now.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by Xist

People insist scientists know exactly what causes autism. When I ask them to enlighten me they mumble incoherently.

What? Scientists make no such claims. That would be speculation - which scientists are loathe to do.