The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[Xist]

This reminded me that Venice is allegedly sinking, so I started reading this: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ce-sink-google

It sounded like part of the problem was similar to why cities along the Mississippi flooded--development along the river reduced the river's ability to handle rainfall.

Then I learned that Doge had a palace.

Much wow.

[freebeard]

History is laughing up it's sleeve.

The atolls grow bigger but they don't get any higher. The sea does and will eventually flood them.

...if they're dead. They will by definition never be higher than sea level. That's a job for vulcanism.

[niky]

Originally Posted by ksa8907

My point is: there are so many variables, how can anyone possibly say that any one particular thing is causing global warming? How can you make observations and come to an assumption based on experiments where you control zero variables?

Is the earth temperature rising? Yes. Are we at least partially at fault? Probably. Are there other things that are warming the earth also? Most likely.

How much of that blame/cause belongs to each variable?

We know what most of the variables do.

And many of the other variables are associated with lowering temperatures.

While one is associated with rising temperatures.

Guess which one? And guess what species is responsible for the doubling of the levels of said variable within the past two centuries?

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Also, RE: 1600 "Little Ice Age" in regards to solar activity... you all know that the global temperature was under a degree colder than the previous millenium, right? Do I have to post this again?

https://xkcd.com/1732/

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by freebeard

History is laughing up it's sleeve.
[islands don't get any higher]

...if they're dead. They will by definition never be higher than sea level. That's a job for vulcanism.

Actually, these are dead volcanoes and fully submerged. What remains are the coral reefs that built up around its shores and now form the whole island.
The volcanoes gradually sink over many million of years, and the reef builds up; but nowhere near as fast as the current level of sea rise.

[freebeard]

The word 'eventually' was used. Maybe I'm thinking on too long a time scale for mere humans, but volcanoes can rise above low tide, coral can't.

[oil pan 4]

More about the pole flip.
The earth's magnetic field weakened something like 5% over the 20th century. Then dropped 10% between 2000 and 2015. By 2050 pole reversal it could be fully in progress.
The only thing anyone will agree on is that when it starts, it happens fast.

[RedDevil]

According to the National Academy of Sciences sea level is not only rising, but rising progressively.
Climate-change (PNAS, 12 Feb 2018)

Satellite altimetry has shown that global mean sea level has been rising at a rate of ∼3 ± 0.4 mm/y since 1993. Using the altimeter record coupled with careful consideration of interannual and decadal variability as well as potential instrument errors, we show that this rate is accelerating at 0.084 ± 0.025 mm/y2, which agrees well with climate model projections. If sea level continues to change at this rate and acceleration, sea-level rise by 2100 (∼65 cm) will be more than double the amount if the rate was constant at 3 mm/y.

[oil pan 4]

65cm by 2100...
Wasn't there some maniac on here saying the sea level was going to rise 6 to 10 feet by 2100?
Because 65cm isn't anywhere near 6 to 10 feet.

[niky]

I've visited beaches that have gone completely under in just the past thirty years, where buildings that used to be tens of meters inland have waves lapping at their foundations.

65mm is a lot for coastal towns. And the average rise will be much bigger for those of us closer to the equator, as heat-driven water expansion raises the levels even more.

[RedDevil]

My home is at sea level, unlike most of the homes around here and in the west who are below. No problem, we have dikes and active water management.

Bangladesh, not so lucky. A hundred million people will have to migrate within 50 years from now.