EPA may fine VW

[oil pan 4]

Volkswagen owners will get a choice: a buyback or repairs - FOX5 Vegas - KVVU

Looks like vw has to by back and repair or just repair these VWs.
I wonder how worthless, gutless and thirsty these fixed VWs going to be?
If they are cheap enough I might pick one up and unfix it to have it run like an actual diesel in stead of some sort of diesel exhaust scrubber plant.

[COcyclist]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Looks like VW has to by back and repair or just repair these VWs.
I wonder how worthless, gutless and thirsty these fixed VWs going to be?
If they are cheap enough I might pick one up and unfix it to have it run like an actual diesel in stead of some sort of diesel exhaust scrubber plant.

I just got an offer from a dealer in the mail yesterday to trade our A3 in on a gas turbo Quattro A3 sedan from an Audi dealer. Do you suppose VAG will crush all these perfectly good cars to get them off the road? That would be an environmental disaster in itself. Sell them to a third world nation with no EPA? Our car is almost paid off and we had planned to keep it for many years to come. Previous TDI engines are reputed to run up to 300,000 miles.

This is my wife's car and she hasn't wanted me doing anything to it. I think maybe now she will let me hot rod it. DPF delete?? More boost?? EGR delete??

These cars are very fun to drive, even better with a little more power.

[oil pan 4]

With VW losing something to the tune of 18 billion dollars (I don't remember if they were 18 in the red total or if it was just 18 in lost sales) I don't think that they can afford to crush them.

DPF and EGR delete are just prevent maintenance for an old diesel.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by COcyclist

I just got an offer from a dealer in the mail yesterday to trade our A3 in on a gas turbo Quattro A3 sedan from an Audi dealer. Do you suppose VAG will crush all these perfectly good cars to get them off the road?

DPF delete?? More boost?? EGR delete?

That's standard practice for the Stealer to send offers saying your used car is in great demand, and to hurry over so they can pay "top dollar" for your used vehicle while you begin a new car payment with them.

They will purchase your car at the standard trade in value, get you making payments on a new car, and then sell the trade-in for about 30% more than they purchased it for. No way are they going to the crusher.

As far as DPF delete, I say go for it. I've read that part of the new ECU update is to run more frequent burn cycles on the DPF, wearing them out much sooner than originally designed. Not only are people going to get reduced fuel economy from increased regen cycles, but they will be stuck with a hefty repair bill when the DPF fails.

I'd delete it and put a custom tune on the car to improve both power and fuel economy. Or, I'd just leave it alone and drive it. Certainly I would avoid the Stealership and any ECU programming they want to perform.

[oil pan 4]

Saving the world through increased consumption.

[darcane]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

With VW losing something to the tune of 18 billion dollars (I don't remember if they were 18 in the red total or if it was just 18 in lost sales) I don't think that they can afford to crush them.

DPF and EGR delete are just prevent maintenance for an old diesel.

This article just showed up in my inbox:
Volkswagen To Take $18.2B Hit From Emissions Scandal

Expected loss for 2015 is $18.2 Billion.
That doesn't include ongoing fines, legal judgments, and lost sales.


I'm curious what percentage of owners ignore the recall altogether and keep their cars in their "dirty" state. And then, after this blows over, will these cars be valued higher than the "fixed" cars because they are more fuel efficient?

[oil pan 4]

It doesn't look like this fiasco has hurt resale values on the 2014 and 2015 diesels very much.

[jcp123]

Darn, you're right. I was hoping the "dirty", un-"fixed" diesels would sell at a bargain. Jetta SW with a 6-speed would be sweet.

[Xist]

Here's Exactly How Much Volkswagen Will Pay For Your Cheating TDI

[COcyclist]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

That's standard practice for the Stealer to send offers saying your used car is in great demand, and to hurry over so they can pay "top dollar" for your used vehicle while you begin a new car payment with them.

They will purchase your car at the standard trade in value, get you making payments on a new car, and then sell the trade-in for about 30% more than they purchased it for. No way are they going to the crusher.

There are 467,000 cheating TDIs in the U.S. According to the article linked above "According to the court, consumers who choose to receive compensation via buyback will be given the September 2015 National Automobile Dealer Association (NADA) "clean" trade-in-value figure for their vehicle after adjustment for mileage and options, as well as additional compensation in the form of "owner restitution," defined as $2986.73 plus one-fifth of the car's value".

In our case the A3 TDI may be worth $23,000. I think many people may take the buy back. I don't think VW/Audi will try to sell these vehicles in the USA because it will be too costly to get them to meet EPA Tier II emissions, not to mention a bad PR move. I think most used car buyers in the USA should be wary of buying a de-tuned TDI that may not be as reliable to operate. So if almost half a million TDI owners are enticed to take the buy back what will happen to these cars. Or conversely, perhaps they will be a great bargain for gearheads that will quickly defeat the dealer fix like people on this forum may be inclined to do. Right now the new A3 hybrid looks pretty sweet.