I.C.E./B.E.V price parity today?

[Snax]

Originally Posted by Frank

No accounting for the cost of pollution?

LOL. Yeah, that murky-fies things even more beyond anything I feel competent to discuss, potentially even going into the costs of foreign wars . .

[freebeard]

One would start here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chaos+theory+gleick
James Gleik wrote the book. I read it in 1987. It builds on a lot of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

[Snax]

Originally Posted by freebeard

One would start here: chaos theory gleick

James Gleik wrote the book. I read it in 1987. It builds on a lot of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

Gleick link doesn't work, but found

audio version

[Snax]

Chaos theory does speak to the reality. 10 years is a long time in tech terms and so much could change with the costs and efficiency of generation and costs of oil production.

[freebeard]

Thanx. Fixed. It was just a DDG search, lots to choose from there.

It was popularized as 'a butterfly flapping it's wings can change the weather'.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Snax

Electricity pricing by contrast is tightly regulated with minimal fluctuations. Moreover, the cost of electricity is also source dependent, whether people choose to subsidize green power grid alternatives or employ solar panels on their homes, there can still be substantial if stable variance between consumers, but it tends to be relatively constant for any given area.

Most of the electric power in my country is provided by hydro-electrical plants. Seasonal price fluctuations occur when thermo-electrical auxiliary plants are used more often. Coal power is also common in Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul states, but due to the high sulphur content and the lower quality of coal from Santa Catarina the cost is also quite stable since it's not so sought after by the steel mills.

[California98Civic]

Originally Posted by Snax

Gleick link doesn't work, but found

Love chaos. The theory is interesting, too.

[jojogunn]

A few things more to consider:
Kona battery warranty stops at 10 years. At that point, the new battery cost will make the car not as viable as an ICE Kona. The feds state you have to support a vehicle for 7 years. Hyundai eventually will drop replacement batteries, and nothing you can do about it.
Taxes? Here in california, our road taxes are stolen for the general fund. Losing that money will generate new taxes and schemes for the shortfall-
Things like mandatory satellite tracking of all vehicles, and you get a bill for miles driven has been put forth out here.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by jojogunn

A few things more to consider:
Kona battery warranty stops at 10 years. At that point, the new battery cost will make the car not as viable as an ICE Kona. The feds state you have to support a vehicle for 7 years. Hyundai eventually will drop replacement batteries, and nothing you can do about it.
Taxes? Here in california, our road taxes are stolen for the general fund. Losing that money will generate new taxes and schemes for the shortfall-
Things like mandatory satellite tracking of all vehicles, and you get a bill for miles driven has been put forth out here.

I suspect that the ICE powertrain warranty, and availability will also be toast at 10-years out.
Tesla is looking at a 20-year lifespan for their batteries. That's 7-years beyond the statistical life of the average ICE vehicle.
Perhaps 3rd- party battery suppliers will fill what is now a market void.
The Kona ICE can't run on renewable energy. By 2025, BEV is predicted to be at price parity with ICE. After that, there's no compelling economic argument for 'pistons.' I doubt we'll ever experience electrical price volatility as we see with petroleum. Nor a $7,000,000,000/ year, cost to protect access to foreign oil.
8,000 Cadillac owners are facing the specter of eventually replacing a $ 20,000 ,hand-built in Bowling Green, Kentucky, V-8 engine. That's engine anxiety if there ever was any.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by jojogunn

A few things more to consider:
Kona battery warranty stops at 10 years. At that point, the new battery cost will make the car not as viable as an ICE Kona. The feds state you have to support a vehicle for 7 years. Hyundai eventually will drop replacement batteries, and nothing you can do about it.

Just like some people resort to makeshift repairs and eventual adaptations to keep older ICE-powered cars working, including engine and transmission swaps, it wouldn't really surprise me if a similar situation becomes common for EVs in general. Not sure when such refurbishments would reach a cost parity with ICE though.