2023 Toyota Prius - WOW!

[freebeard]

DuckDuckGo hides the origins, but does have this:

https://www.gardenmyths.com › synthetic-fertilizer-petroleum
Synthetic Fertilizer Ingredients - Are They Made From Petroleum?
Nitrogen is a key component of most synthetic fertilizers. It is made by combining the nitrogen in the air with hydrogen in methane to produce ammonia (NH3). The ammonia is then used to create other forms of nitrogen including ammonium nitrate and urea (ammonia + CO2 ). Natural gas is used to provide the methane and a heat source for the process.

https://context.capp.ca › articles › 2020 › pirl-fertilizers
Petroleum in Real Life: Food, Fertilizer and Fuel - CAPP
During the process, 80% of the gas is used as feed¬stock for fertilizer, while the remaining 20% is used for heat and electricity production. The two main end products, ammonium nitrate and urea, are then mixed with other ingredients—mainly phosphorus and potassium—to manufacture a range of synthetic fertilizers for use on farms.

[Isaac Zachary]

How do the 2023 Toyota Prius (Prime) and 2023 Chevy Bolt (non SUV version) compare? Which would be the better buy and why?

[redpoint5]

I mean, the obvious thing is the Prime accepts gas.

I assume the Prius has way more interior volume too.

[Isaac Zachary]

I was reading that Toyota is recomending Premium fuel in the new Prius ??!

It also uses 19" wheels ??!

I hope those aren't true.

The 57 mpg is "manufacture-estimated." The EPA's numbers are 54 city/50 hwy/52 comb. estimates for the regular FWD ones and 51 city/47 hwy/49 comb. estimates the AWD versions. Not sure of the Prime version.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

I was reading that Toyota is recomending Premium fuel in the new Prius ??!

It also uses 19" wheels ??!

I hope those aren't true.

The 57 mpg is "manufacture-estimated." The EPA's numbers are 54 city/50 hwy/52 comb. estimates for the regular FWD ones and 51 city/47 hwy/49 comb. estimates the AWD versions. Not sure of the Prime version.

Yeah, hopefully 19" is an option and not standard. Ridiculous how big wheels are getting.

Premium is basically never required nowadays. The engine will retard to protect itself.

Anything over 40 MPG is gravy. There's no need for manufacturers to create a science experiment that gets 80 MPG or something. Diminishing returns means going from 20 MPG to 40 is a bigger deal than going from 40 MPG to 80, even though both represent a doubling in efficiency.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

How do the 2023 Toyota Prius (Prime) and 2023 Chevy Bolt (non SUV version) compare? Which would be the better buy and why?

Well there is a lot we don't know about the 2023 Prius - like price and interior volume.

Size:
Considering the 2022 Prius has the exact same interior volume as a Chevy Bolt and the 2023 Prius is 2 inches shorter I would expect the Bolt to be larger. I would also expect the interior room to be more usable as the cargo area is more square than the heavily sloped hatch on the Prius.

Price:
The 2022 Prius Prime is $2K more than a 2022 Bolt. I expect the price will go up for the 2023. The Bolt will get at least 1/2 the tax credit while the Prius won't get anything.

Fuel and running costs will be less for the Bolt
The Bolt is quicker than the Prius

Basically if you can deal with the range of the Bolt it is cheaper to buy, cheaper to own, larger, and quicker than a Prius.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

I was reading that Toyota is recomending Premium fuel in the new Prius ??!

It also uses 19" wheels ??!

I hope those aren't true.

The 57 mpg is "manufacture-estimated." The EPA's numbers are 54 city/50 hwy/52 comb. estimates for the regular FWD ones and 51 city/47 hwy/49 comb. estimates the AWD versions. Not sure of the Prime version.

Manufacturers do the testing for EPA ratings. Toyota knows the combined EPA rating will be 57 mpg - they just can't advertise them as EPA ratings until EPA stamps the paperwork.

[Christian]

This is a huge upgrade, really like the updated exterior of the car

[Ecky]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

I was reading that Toyota is recomending Premium fuel in the new Prius ??!

It also uses 19" wheels ??!

I hope those aren't true.

The 57 mpg is "manufacture-estimated." The EPA's numbers are 54 city/50 hwy/52 comb. estimates for the regular FWD ones and 51 city/47 hwy/49 comb. estimates the AWD versions. Not sure of the Prime version.

They probably base their horsepower and acceleration tests off the "recommended" fuel - these are very high compression engines. I can run 87 in my MX-5, which has a 14:1 CR, and it doesn't explode, but it's completely gutless below 4k RPM.

I'd be glad to have the option, anyway.

As for the wheels, it's almost certainly styling-only. Why people like the look of massive wheels, I have no idea, but all concept drawings have wheel sizes that are physically impossible.

3rd gen Prius concept art:

[Isaac Zachary]

Let's just hope lower octane doesn't hurt fuel mileage.