Aptera Reboot - Improved

[Isaac Zachary]

So either convince everyone to stop thinking it or kill everyone who thinks it??? Then the idea is destroyed???

[freebeard]

Once the idea is no longer thought by anyone, it's dead.

Pre-Internet thinking.

You're never really dead until nobody speaks your name?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

So either convince everyone to stop thinking it or kill everyone who thinks it??? Then the idea is destroyed???

I wasn't suggesting killing any particular idea, only describing how ideas live.

They are embodied by humans, simple as that.

Ideas themselves aren't bad, only when destructive ones are practiced do they manifest dysfunction. They exist as a virtual reality played out in our minds to better predict what would happen in reality if put into practice.

[Isaac Zachary]

Sorry. No offense.

I think I overthinked it.

[freebeard]

Curiously, at this moment I'm listening to 9 Things To Do About Hopelessness.

[blownb310]

Unsubscribing. This thread is 47 pages of mostly nonsense and gibberish. Oil pan is simply toxic in his hypocrisy and pompous. Go ahead and flame away Oil pan. I will not be here to read it.

What a bunch of hot air.....

[redpoint5]

12 pages by my count.

Curious to know more about Oil Pan hypocrisy. Any specific posts that would support that claim?

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

The reasons for having them have already been mentioned, but I'll mention them again.

• High electric rates. If at around 10 cents a kWh it takes 15 years to hit a payback period, then at 20 cents it will take 10 years, and at 30 cents only five. If you keep the car longer than 5 years in an area like that it could cost less with the solar panels than without.
• Lack of personal EVSE. Not everyone can have one installed where they live, and those that can may have to spend anywhere up to $2,000 or even more to have it done. Granted, a $1,500 panel on the top of the car isn't going to replace going to a public charging station from time to time for most people, but it could help reduce having to do that, maybe even significantly.
• It can work. Sail boats work. Bicycle pedals work. DIY veggie oil fuel in a diesel works. Sure, there are lots of disadvantages to each of those. Don't expect to be able to daily drive a sailboat for a commuter to college or pedal your bicycle to Hawaii or drive on veggie oil in the winter. Although few and far between, people have been putting solar panels on EV's for decades; and many of those with realistic expectations have been satisfied with the results. Even if Aptera flops like they did last time and no one gets a solar powered Aptera, other people will be putting solar panels on top of other EVs and will be perfectly happy getting a few miles here and there from sunlight.

Now that's selling false hope. With regular EVs people thought a level 1 charger would keep them going. Some it does, getting to people to buy "an electric vehicle that never needs to be plugged in" is going to make a lot of angry customers and a lot of buyers remorse.

Oh and trust me one does not simply unsolder bad cells or repair broken connections on a finished solar panel.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by freebeard

They have a smoke season in New England also?



How do you destroy an idea? Asking for a friend.

I have shared with Arcimoto a concept for a trackable solar panel system based on two 3-axis hubs articulated like Dragonfly wings.

Constantly point out the hypocrisy, how stupid, pointless, expensive, wasteful, any conveniently ignored or down played unintended consequences, remind the shrill that their idea is over hyped and always be sure to end with any suffering it will cause. Ultimately convincing anyone who reading we would either be better off with out that idea or better yet doing the opposite or something else entirely.
For example aerohead can't do that. If you don't believe global warming is going to kill us all in 11 years you just aren't smart enough to understand the science.

Last time I checked adding even single axis tracking to solar panels at least doubles the price of the install and only increases kwh out put by around 30%, some where like Alaska may be as high as 50%. You are better off adding 2x as many fixed panels.
Also one of the most common complaints about panel trackers is that stuff starts breaking and wearing out after a few years usually 2 to 5 years.
Now manually move able racks on a ground mount may be installed for 20% to 30% more and appear to be worth it. With winter/summer tilt angles already set you just have to get out there and move them twice or 4 times a year.
For my panels if I put some of them on movable racks the additional cost appears that it would pay for its self.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by blownb310

Unsubscribing. This thread is 47 pages of mostly nonsense and gibberish. Oil pan is simply toxic in his hypocrisy and pompous. Go ahead and flame away Oil pan. I will not be here to read it.

What a bunch of hot air.....

How am I a hypocrite? Is it because I have solar panels and know that putting them on a car would be stupid?
I call that education and experience.
You never made any attempt to dispute any of my claims.
This is typical of the left, they don't want to discuss their ideas. They just want to shutdown discussion because they don't understand their own ideas well enough to defend them, or its just virtue signaling, astroturfing and they know it.