California to ban selling new gas-powered cars by 2035

[Piotrsko]

AFAIK, bolts, like chevy products use a modular concept that make the batteries repairable, same for some chrysler (oR who they are now) and Ford products. Haven't looked at foreign stuff except for VW but VW does modules too. There are well known repairable shops for tesla, but due to the skateboard design, are pricey to peel covers out and reseal.

The issue for apartments will be the long cord lengths and exceeding the feed into the building capacity or possibly securing the cord ends to prevent power theft

[oil pan 4]

My friend who wants a bolt he drive 100 miles per day he could get by with a 3.6kw evse. A 5kw would probably be best. I ran up 1,600 miles last month on my leaf and a 2.4kw evse was plenty for me.
You don't have to give everyone a 6.6kw.
Problem with 1.4kw (120v) is its too damn slow unless you run up 1,000 miles per month or less and it's warm where you are.
Prevent free loaders by using 2.4 or 3.6kw evse units.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

You must have a vastly different market.

Not for lack of Oregon's governor trying her best. Hasn't been the same since mail-in voting. I still remember politicians like Wayne Morse (R>I>D) and Tom McCall (R).

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

While it may seem "dirt cheap" to charge an EV compared to filling the tank of a clunker, an engine rebuild and other complex procedures still are and likely to also remain more affordable than battery replacements or reconditionings for a while. And unless some breakthrough change on battery manufacturing goes mainstream relatively soon in order to decrease the cost of a replacement while retaining a reasonable range for most users, I wouldn't hold my breath for the lowest-income car owners to switch from a clunker to an EV. Most likely they may feel inclined to have a Mexican cousin to smuggle a 125cc motorcycle and a side-car across the border and try to learn how the Russians homebrew vodka with a higher alcohol volume than mainstream vodka.

[redpoint5]

Everyone assumes a battery replacement, which may only be true of the Nissan Leaf. There is no battery replacement assumed for EVs like the Bolt or Tesla(s).

Here's a chart of degradation for the Model S:



In 17 years and 200,000 miles, we might expect the battery to be at 85%.

Interestingly, the degradation rate slows over time... although I'm sure at some point it accelerates again. There are no 15 year old EVs to reference as data points though. The oldest ones are 9 year old Nissan Leafs, and we already know they had degradation problems due to lack of active cooling.

[Piotrsko]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

. Most likely they may feel inclined to have a Mexican cousin to smuggle a 125cc motorcycle and a side-car across the border and try to learn how the Russians homebrew vodka with a higher alcohol volume than mainstream vodka.

For homebrew makers, mash stops atround 20%, First distill runs about 40%, second distill goes to 90+, depending on still efficiency. Most purveyors add water on subsequent distills to dilute to desired taxable potency. Russians like to be efficient getting smashed, it's more time effective to consume high proof spirits.

I could probably make an acceptable fuel with household equipment, but the grain refuse would be a telltale. Figure a pound of grain for a cup of fuel, half that using some sort of sugar

[JSH]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

But, you do live in another state. The real estate market drives our transportation problems, here in California.

I have family and friends who work in San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego. But, due to the high cost of living, they drive an hour or more from surrounding areas east of the metropolis they work in because housing is more affordable. Freeways are full of clunkers as people do what they have to do.

While that may be your reality and the reality of people that choose to live in Southern California, it is not representative of the USA as a whole.

According to US Census data: 60% of US households live in detached single-family homes, 17% live in apartment complexes, 9% in duplexes to quadplexes, 8% in mobile homes, and 6% in single-family town-homes. Most households in the USA have a place to plug in an EV at home.

As redpoint mentioned - used EVs are cheap. Cheaper to buy for the year and mileage, cheaper to fuel and cheaper to maintain.

Choosing to live in a place with very expensive housing is a choice. Living somewhere else with more reasonable housing costs would free up the monthly budget for other things like a car that isn't a clunker.

[freebeard]

At some point, it's cheaper to live in the car than commute in it.

[Piotrsko]

Originally Posted by freebeard

At some point, it's cheaper to live in the car than commute in it.

In Smell-A, $22.00 an hour with benefits. Reno is $9.75 if you have an equivalent paid roomie.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

I could probably make an acceptable fuel with household equipment, but the grain refuse would be a telltale. Figure a pound of grain for a cup of fuel, half that using some sort of sugar

Depending on which grain and sort of sugar are used, makes me wonder if the leftovers could be a suitable feedstock to make bread, and eventually challenge the theories claiming biofuels to be inherently bad for food safety.