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Old 01-31-2011, 10:58 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Nobody is presenting it as such because to do so would reveal that the movers and shakers of the deal would be the only ones to financially benefit... and that would be a tougher sell.
The movers and shakers, meh, it also benefits the guys drilling the stuff, the engineers designing the systems, the support staff for the crews, the pilots who fly them around, the drivers that haul gear north. It also benefits all the people those individuals hire and buy from. In a resource heavy state like AK it also benefits everyone in the state as it is corporations (well the people who buy from the corporations) who pay the state tax, as well as the state collecting money on every gallon shipped out. That is an easy sell.

That oil belongs to me and the rest of the citizens of AK. Not exactly the set up I would have chosen but it is the way it is. It would not even be a national issue but the fedgod has marked the map as theirs.

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Old 02-01-2011, 08:12 AM   #182 (permalink)
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I've never lived in Alaska, though I wouldn't mind visiting someday.

One thing I can't get past when it comes to drilling is this: What happens (environmentally) when the oil is gone? (Clearly, it can never be "gone" perse - but enough so that we don't bother looking anymore, if you will.)

I don't care about economically anymore. Screw the money, the economy (it doesn't need my help, it's already being screwed globally anyway), and all that thought - but why was the oil there in the first place? What purpose did it serve before we raped it's reserves?

If everything has a reason for existing (I'm sure it does, but that's certainly not a philosophical stance.) then why was the oil there? Was it really just rotten material? Did it intend to feed something?

Ok, so this is a long shot - What if that oil was part of the Earth's life cycle?

How about in a few thousand years (inaccurate number), the Earth's mantle and crust have recycled themselves again, and that oil is what would normally have "kept the fire hot"? Oil as a resource to us has a higher BTU content than probably anything else that could have been used in the same capacity... so it makes sense that it would "keep the fire hot" as it were.

Food for thought... but maybe it's not a flavor we want to taste just yet?
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So glad Teddy decided that not every square inch of U.S. soil would be readily available to rape for short term gain by a few.

Which reminds me, I'm sure we'll get in there at some point and get the oil. The question is, why now?
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How about in a few thousand years (inaccurate number), the Earth's mantle and crust have recycled themselves again, and that oil is what would normally have "kept the fire hot"? Oil as a resource to us has a higher BTU content than probably anything else that could have been used in the same capacity... so it makes sense that it would "keep the fire hot" as it were.

Food for thought... but maybe it's not a flavor we want to taste just yet?
No. The Earth's internal fire is fueled by radioactive decay, not by oil combustion.

Frank Lee, Jimmy Carter gets more credit than Teddy Roosevelt for saving Alaska from Alaskans themselves. Carter's Interior Secretary Andrus massively increased federally protected lands days before RayGun and his professional rapist James Watt rode into town to gut environmental protection in Alaska and elsewhere. I was living in Alaska at the time, and the pro-development/anti-development wars were just as strong as they are today in Alaska.
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... Carter's Interior Secretary Andrus massively increased federally protected lands days before RayGun and his professional rapist James Watt rode into town to gut environmental protection in Alaska and elsewhere. ....
I'm pretty sure this is off-topic (whether theres oil in ANWR), offensive to at least some of our members, and unnecessary name-calling at best (not to mention an emotional outburst in a thread on logic). We are all adults here, lets leave the ignorant sniping to political blogs. I'm shocked the moderators didn't close this thread long ago. I think its been proven that there are indeed Certain Subjects Immune to Logic.
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The movers and shakers, meh, it also benefits the guys drilling the stuff, the engineers designing the systems, the support staff for the crews, the pilots who fly them around, the drivers that haul gear north. It also benefits all the people those individuals hire and buy from.
Not to mention the Chinese and Indians who will be buying it to burn.

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