The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

Sounds like one of those cases where two people look up to each other.

But I need yoi to be
Better than me
And you need me to do
Better than you

Thao Nguyen – Know Better Learn Faster

Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.

Kay — Men in Black

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by All Darc

For CO2 perhaps, but for methane... I don't think so.

And forests are take down to open space to cows. ALso they farm a lot of graim for some kind of cows systems. Water its another issue.

It's just a matter of time to sceince create a fake meat that tastes better, feel better as texture, and get better for health.

No energy or matter can be destroyed - or created.

The only reason that cows (or any other animal) add greenhouse gases to the atmosphere - is because of the way we raise the food they eat.

Only humans are taking carbon out from underground - and put it into the atmosphere. Physics and chemistry happen as they always do - if we ignore science, that doesn't change what happens.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by redneck

So in other words, it's a "self regulating system."

Got it...


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Huh? Where are you getting that?

[freebeard]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

[NeilBlanchard]

The Gaia theory has nothing to do with what I had posted.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Huh? Where are you getting that?

From what the two of you posted.

Things go up, things go down and all around...

Surprise surprise... water levels don't always rise, or rise uniformly.

And adjustments do have to be made, because the land itself either rises or sinks.

Another effect that is a big part of sea level - is the gravitational pull of land ice.

When the Greenland ice melts, the sea level around it will drop, because the gravitational pull of the ice is shifted to the sea. Same for Antarctic ice.

Antarctic ice is about 2.5 MILES thick, and it is pushing the land under it DOWN a bit less than 1/2 MILE. The sea level around Antarctica is pulled up a lot.

The bulge of sea level around the equator, that results from the earth spinning on its axis (making the shape of the earth into an oblate spheroid) - is shifted southward by the gravitational pull of the Antarctic ice. A LOT.

And then there's this study which includes everything that was mentioned above but comes to the opposite conclusion.

Research Paper

Why would sea-level rise for global warming and polar ice-melt?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...74987118300446

You were right however...

Science is complicated, and checkable. Without science, we would not be discussing this on the Internet.

Context is key though...

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[freebeard]

The Gaia theory has nothing to do with what I had posted.

Huh? Where are you getting that?

It's all about you?

The Gaia hypothesis (/ˈɡaɪ.ə/ GYE-ə, /ˈɡeɪ.ə/ GAY-ə), also known as the Gaia theory or the Gaia principle, proposes that living organisms interact with their inorganic surroundings on Earth to form a synergistic and self-regulating, complex system that helps to maintain and perpetuate the conditions for life on the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

Gaia regulates the though processes of it's inhabitants, inducing them to splurge on BTUs, for the purpose of mitigating the advancing walls of ice.

Personally I'm looking forward to seasteads floating in solar melt-water lakes, two miles above our current location.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

...and being roughly 25.8 million miles closer to Sol counts, too.

The inverse-square law for energy propagation offers no explanation for Venus' warmth based upon solar insolation,when viewed with its closer solar proximity.
A fun comparison is between Earth and Moon.
Our water vapor and other GHGs keep us at,what used to be not too long ago, an average 58-degrees F,instead of hundreds of degrees below,or above zero,depending on time of day.All with PPM and PPB gas concentrations.
At 1.5-degrees F added since 1870,and another immediate 1.5-degrees F within a year of shutting down coal-fired power plants,after the sulfate aerosols precipitate out,it should be an interesting ride.
But wait!,there's more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[niky]

Originally Posted by redneck

From what the two of you posted.

Things go up, things go down and all around...






And then there's this study which includes everything that was mentioned above but comes to the opposite conclusion.

Research Paper

Why would sea-level rise for global warming and polar ice-melt?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...74987118300446

You were right however...



Context is key though...

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As if every other scientist *ever* ignored equatorial bulging.

And, as if sea levels have not varied wildly in the past due to warmer and colder climates.

Theoretical ruminations mean little when sea levels were several meters higher during previous interglacial periods when the climate was much hotter than it is now.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by redneck

From what the two of you posted.

And then there's this study which includes everything that was mentioned above but comes to the opposite conclusion.

Research Paper

Why would sea-level rise for global warming and polar ice-melt?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...74987118300446

This author claims that any new liquid water that melts from the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica will "just stay at the poles" because "water can't flow to the equator because it is uphill and toward weaker gravity". Which is nonsense. The 21km higher land and water that is there at the equator has achieved this state now and any new liquid water will distribute across the surface in the same manner. It is true that local sea level will appear static at Greenland and Antarctica since that land will rise with a reduced ice mass pressing it down. But the rest of the world will see an average of all of the new liquid water minus some slight deepening of the ocean floor.