05-10-2018, 01:43 PM
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I have little issue with the whole global warming agenda other than it places all the blame of said warming on CO2. Severe curtailing of CO2 emissions will not stop global warming as such. Even the experts admit this. So what point is it to cripple our economies without a real plan to replace our energy needs with something more realistic than the effusive renewable energy as it is produced today?
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Huh? Climate change will cost us more and more - it already costs us BILLIONS. And fossil fuel pollution costs us billions in health and early deaths. Our military spending to protect oil is costing us billions, if not trillions.
We have to stop putting ANY carbon from fossil fuels into the air if we want to have a chance of our society surviving. We have put so much carbon into the air so quickly, that it will take at LEAST 50 years for the warming to stop.
IF we have already triggered enough feedback warming - melting ice caps, melting tundra, increased water vapor, methane and nitrous oxide, warming oceans - then the only way we can keep our society is the put as much of the carbon into the soil as we can.
What part of the fact that renewable energy has provided more NEW jobs than fossil fuels don't you understand? If we avoid runaway warming - then dropping fossil fuels will pay for itself.
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05-10-2018, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hydrive
I highly recommend everyone watch COOL IT, a documentary based on a quasi-biography of Bjorn Lomborg. He is an environmentalist who introduces practical, every-day solutions to the global warming problem...
I also think nuclear energy is a *good* idea.
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I haven't seen it. While I think the science should be, and needs to be, falsifiable; the danger is in the economic/Hegelian 'solutions'.
Nuclear is high-tech and scales with difficulty, if only politically. The solution is multi-variate, but the low-tech scalable solution is biochar. In this I agree with NeilBlanchard.
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05-10-2018, 04:14 PM
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Nuclear is the only tech that will generate a lot of power 24 hours a day, rain or shine, wind, no wind, even with snow covering everything while making little CO2 over the fuel life cycle.
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05-10-2018, 04:47 PM
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I wish people could realize that we can't "drop fossil fuels". We might be able to transfer half of our electric and some personal transportation (until we run out of materials for batteries), but this is less than half of our total energy consumption. Rebuildables are fossil fuel extenders. There is no replacement for liquid fuel in heavy machinery and transportation at the scale we require to keep the economy going.
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05-10-2018, 05:08 PM
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This latest lithium shortage and the 2010ish nickel price surge shows that battery powered everything is likey impossible and that battery powering a good portion of the vehicles produced today is not even close to being possible.
That doesn't even begin to tackle grid storage.
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05-10-2018, 05:16 PM
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What ever happened to H2 being used as a battery? I remember reading stories that said my cell phone would be hydrogen powered one day.
Nuke could decompose water into H2, and in turn could power and heat most things.
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05-10-2018, 05:20 PM
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H2 production transportation and storage is very inefficient. "fool cells" are expensive and fragile.
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05-10-2018, 05:23 PM
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Hydrogen is horrible.
As long as natural gas is around no one is going to be making large amounts of hydrogen for portable use. Since the cheapest source of hydrogen is natural gas and the cost of hydrogen is at least $15 per million BTUs. Which triples the price of the natural gas. Just use natural gas.
Also natural gas sourced hydrogen still produces lots of CO2.
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05-10-2018, 05:59 PM
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I am waiting for the hydrogen fuel crash. Would it resemble a mini hydrogen bomb? lol
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05-10-2018, 06:01 PM
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This latest lithium shortage and the 2010ish nickel price surge shows that battery powered everything is likey impossible and that battery powering a good portion of the vehicles produced today is not even close to being possible.
That doesn't even begin to tackle grid storage.
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Battery parts are recyclable, however. Battery elements are carbon intensive to mine, but they can be used over and over.
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