The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[redpoint5]

Just as communism cannot solve the problem of efficiently determining what amount of goods should be produced and how much they should cost, expecting genius leadership to solve problems of resource scarcity and climate change is also foolish.

We have very limited ability to plan ahead and modify behavior to prepare for a future that has so many variables as to be barely more predictable than a random guess.

Future problems will be solved/mitigated the way we solve all problems; through a mostly free economy, innovation, and some government regulation to protect the environment.

What are we going to do about the much more serious threat to humanity that is the impending ability to cheaply and anonymously wage acts of terrorism? This threat is mere decades away, not centuries. This generation will face the serious problem.

What are we going to do when antibiotics become entirely useless? It seems that may solve the population and resource depletion issues by itself. Before penicillin, most people died of infections, and that was just a few generations ago. The biggest threat in all human history has always been infectious disease, and we are living in a vanishingly small slice of time where that is not the case.

I promise that global warming will not be mentioned as among the top 10 problems endured by even our great, great, grandchildren.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

It turns out one vulnerability of nuclear power is high ambient temperatures:

duckduckgo.com:europe+reactors+shut+down+in+heat

Just to protect the little fishies of course.

Somewhere I ran across an article in which The UK had to recall some of their nuclear-powered military vessels from the Persian Gulf region, due to elevated sea temperatures, which compromised heat rejection from the shipboard reactors cooling systems.
And coastal reactors had to operate at lower power output for the same reason.
And evidently,the safety of passive, wet storage of spent fuel rods can be compromised beyond a certain temperature threshold.Whoopy!

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Here in the late 1940s, early 1950s water was at around 80 to 90 feet.
Now it's a 108'. The impermeable clay layer is at 120'.
Another 30 or 40 years pumps in use now won't be able to pickup any water.

I had a great aunt who lived west of Lubbock,Texas,in Lorenzo.During my 4-years at Texas Tech,some of the cotton farmers there,saw their V-8 powered water pumps suck sand.They'd depleted their reach of the Ogallala Aquifer (too big to fail)
Overnight,one by one,they became dry-land farmers.The day before, it would have been 'impossible'.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

Exactly. Civilization will be much smaller and simpler in the future.
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So the big question is, How do we bring this artificially high flying civilization in for a softer landing? How do we reach the masses and open their eyes. How do we reach the world leaders? There are no major countries that are planning for anything that does not require the continuation of the current (last 100 years) fossil fueled exponential growth to keep the economy from crashing.

The USA just put into place a tax give back the requires 3% growth for the next 15 years to pay it back. Can we really double the size of the US economy again through 2040? And if every country does this, and more in developing countries, what will this do to the remaining finite resources of the planet?
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We are already on course for at least 10 Billion people by 2100.

I get the feeling that we're headed towards 10-billion.To 'grow the economy'.
And just let the market work it out.And 'adapt.' In fact,adaptation may be the new golden goose for entrepreneurs,figuring out how to make fortunes off of a slow-motion catastrophe.
There are historical precedents for draconian government interventions,but those have required a 'crisis' as a pretext.Those can be fabricated if necessary.Agent provocateurs are your go-to people.
If we never mention the elephant in the room it won't exist for those who never care to 'look'. For each new generation,whatever they see around them will just be 'normal.' 176-degree heat index,living in a spacesuit as the new normal.Beautiful!
Since world leaders come and go ( some stay around longer than others),and whatever they create can be destroyed by any new incoming administration,it's impossible to count on even a 'strong' leader for any permanent results.
So far,I'm not seeing University MBAs offered in market devolution either.There's no historical precedent for capitalism to shift into reverse-gear,undoing the web that it's created.
Front page news obviously hasn't made a difference to Barbi and Ken.The media and those who pay the piper would have to alter aspirations and provide positive reinforcement for new and different behaviors,making a break from the past (Edward Bernays).Disney Corporation could pull it off.They have a history with this sort of thing.
Talk of a one-world government is a good way for a politician to lose one's head to a 0.306 boat-tailed projectile.You'd be taking jobs away from currency speculators,arms salesmen,printing press operators,redundant intelligence networks,flag salespersons,etc..
Henry Shaw,of EXXON spoke of an orderly transition off fossil-fuels and into renewables in 'Losing Earth'.Timing would mean everything.And those $trillions still in the ground must be very tempting!

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Geodesic domes. Big ones over cities and little ones over tomato plants.

Ben Davidson: "Earth is hotter. Humans play a role. We must stop pollution."

17,468 views, 1.8K likes, 55 dislikes, 669 comments

I really don't mean any disrespect,but after looking at Mr. Davidson's website,I can't bear the thought of investing any of my time there.
Others consider his site a venue for pseudo-science.I believe that they have very good reason to make that assessment.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Just as communism cannot solve the problem of efficiently determining what amount of goods should be produced and how much they should cost, expecting genius leadership to solve problems of resource scarcity and climate change is also foolish.

We have very limited ability to plan ahead and modify behavior to prepare for a future that has so many variables as to be barely more predictable than a random guess.

Future problems will be solved/mitigated the way we solve all problems; through a mostly free economy, innovation, and some government regulation to protect the environment.

What are we going to do about the much more serious threat to humanity that is the impending ability to cheaply and anonymously wage acts of terrorism? This threat is mere decades away, not centuries. This generation will face the serious problem.

What are we going to do when antibiotics become entirely useless? It seems that may solve the population and resource depletion issues by itself. Before penicillin, most people died of infections, and that was just a few generations ago. The biggest threat in all human history has always been infectious disease, and we are living in a vanishingly small slice of time where that is not the case.

I promise that global warming will not be mentioned as among the top 10 problems endured by even our great, great, grandchildren.

'The Pentagon says that climate change poses immediate risks to our national security,...We should act like it.' President Obama.
(climate change is) 'a threat multiplier' that ' has the potential to exacerbate many of the challenges we are dealing with today-from infectious disease to terrorism.' US Secretary of Defense,Chuck Hagel.
(threats to global stability posed by rapid warming vastly eclipse that of terrorism.' (from: 'An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security,' US Dept.of Defense,2003.
'If the scientists are right and temperatures continue to rise,we could face environmental,economic and national security consequences far beyond our ability to imagine.' US Senator,John McCain,testimony before the US Senate,2007.
The US Defense Department considers Global Climate Change a greater threat than terrorism.

[Xist]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Geodesic domes. Big ones over cities

Trap in the pollution?

[freebeard]

aerohead: Horses for courses.

Who are these 'others'? Name them. How do they feel about the Electric Universe?

One might go to S0 for a 4-minute summary of the weather from the surface of the sun to the ground under our feet (coursing with telluric currents), plus the significant published peer-reviewed papers for the day.

Or the disaster porn. Works either way.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Just as communism cannot solve the problem of efficiently determining what amount of goods should be produced...

We have very limited ability to plan ahead and modify behavior to prepare for a future that has so many variables as to be barely more predictable than a random guess.

Future problems will be solved/mitigated the way we solve all problems...

...all watched over by machines of loving grace.

Richard Brautigan

You-know-who Fuller predicted AI before it was cool. I went looking for supporting material and found this 1988 essay by Doctress Neutopia




I highly recommend this, but if you want just-the-facts-ma'am, there's wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Game

[aerohead]

I GOOGLED the website and looked at some of the comments.
What is 'Electric Universe'?

[oil pan 4]

Electric universe explains why we see things that that we thought were caused by dark matter, dark matter no one has been able to detect and why a lot of things look like they have been influenced by electric fields but no one thought electric fields could be that big.