The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by sendler

That is because everyone is blind to the SCALE of fossil energy it takes to do what we have, and would need to continue doing. And most people seem to have an intense optimism bias toward rebuildables without ever running the numbers due to a decade of greenwashing in the uniformed media that is determined to keep business as usual growth going for as long as possible.
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Rebuildables can power "A" human society. Just not this one. 17 TeraWatts and growing (for now).
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Very concise and pulling no punches weekly essay by Martenson today on the subject of the impending liquid fuel depletion. Wise scientists and forward thinkers have been warning us about this for 60 years but our time blind and reward hungry stone age brains subconsciously refuse to accept it.
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https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/...k-wall-reality
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I have accepted this.
I am re-adopting solid fuel technology. To the point of learning about boilers and steam engines. Wood and coal fired heating today, steam driven power generation later.

Originally Posted by aerohead

who made claims like that? I doubt that it was climatologists.
what source is saying that there's more ice in Antarctica?

The satellite used to chart the ice.
Compare now to winter of 1980 and they are pretty much the same. Draw your own conclusions.
But very curiously no one is reporting this....
I guess it's really, really good news, or really bad news depending on who you are.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by sendler

Rebuildables can power "A" human society. Just not this one. 17 TeraWatts and growing (for now).

Right arm! Preach it, bruda. ....ahem. Agreed.

Fuller's design Science Revolution was intended to lift all the boats.

Right into the air.

Steam power airships for everyone.

[All Darc]

I found this presentation quite interesting :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ

But I believe he accidently changed 90% for 99% when he said airplane fattalities are much lower today compared to the 70's.
Anyway we can't use the optimistc idea to forget about keep things getting better. And we can't use pessimism to cross arms and quit.

I confess that I'm being optimistic about batteries, like John Goodenough's battery (glass sodium), and the polemic about it appears imposible. I ask myself now :
Why a man of his reputation and fame, creator of battery we all use today, would at 95 years old throw away he image and respect he conquest among scientific comunity, why would he made hinself ridiculous, realesing a complete hoax ???
And it's not just hin, it's a entire team of researchers from a very respectable universiy.
There must be at least some true about his battery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR8CESrigEg

[freebeard]

How about Tim Pool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqffL_fJpww

[sendler]

All of the advancements he points to arethe result of cheap energy from fossil fuel lifting world GDP.
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The big problem with the free market: There is no price to the future put on the actual non-renewable resources we are consuming. Only the cost of extraction. Also, many waste streams after use carry no price.

[freebeard]

So, tell us what you really think about this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wlN...ature=youtu.be

It's a long one, almost two hours —1.5x— but it's divided into three parts

Eugenics
the curious case of Maurice Strong
Technocracy

The only hope I can see is the cypherpunk's hive mind of autists.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936...world-wide-web

When asked about this, Berners-Lee says flatly: “We are not talking to Facebook and Google about whether or not to introduce a complete change where all their business models are completely upended overnight. We are not asking their permission.”

Game on.

https://www.wnd.com/2018/08/tech-ico...-after-google/

Cryptocosm

[sendler]

Any divested oil stocks are just bought back by some other investor at an even cheaper price than they already wanted to pay. Divestment of investments in oil companies does nothing to inhibit them. Divestment of the USE of oil is the only thing that can reduce consumption. And the world economy is hooked.

[All Darc]

Like I said once in this forum (but not sure if somebody listened) :

I people had just followed Christ 2000 years ago, his ideas and without supernatural powers, just making good and praying, the technology would not be developed, and people today would suffer a lot with hunger, disease, pragues, poverty, bad food, low life expectation, high child mortality, short life expectancy...

I'm not saying capitalism it's great, but human nature needs competition to develop. But savage capitalism can also lead to problems. I believe in a controlled humanized capitalism, since all extremims are bad.

Originally Posted by freebeard

How about Tim Pool:

[sendler]

The free market only works for a strong middle class when there is a shortage of labor. Which there never will be again due to over-population and increasing automation. Going forward in the current system, the owners of production are holding all of the cards. We will need a whole new way.

[niky]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

So they were wrong about the ice caps melting and not coming back.
But we have people who insist that the climate scientists are never wrong. So which is it?

Why do we keep coming back to this after it's been explained that the quote that led to this misconception is a quote of the claim that the Arctic sea ice *might* fully disappear during the summer taken completely out of context?

Where's the claim? Where are the papers predicting this?