The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

.... the melting,albedo,ad infinitum.

More like ad some-unknown-limit-um.

which will allow more cosmetic rays

Okay I give up.

[niky]

Them rays. So dangerous, but oh-so-pretty!

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

When there is a thousand year flood every few years, it's probably not a thousand year flood.
I'm curious as to how flood data was recorded 1000 years ago?
Or is this just another case of pure assumptions and more "make it up as you go along"?
Floods are weather, so weather events are climate now?

The 100, 1,000, 10,000 are markers for how rare an event is expected to be, based on past records.

When a once very rare weather event suddenly occurs multiple times in short succession, then something has changed. Perhaps... the climate?

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

In Roanoke Virginia 1985 there was 6 to 8 inches of rain fall in an afternoon. The weather man said it was a 100 year flood, hasn't been even close to being repeated there since then. In 1985 a lot of people were blaming things like that flood on the hole in the ozone. Just like now with man made global warming.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ralian-floods/

Big hole in the protective ozone layer that lets in excess ultraviolet radiation affects global wind patterns, which in turn affects rainfall patterns.

As with climate change, hard to pin any specific event to the ozone hole, but it does have an effect.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I remember reading articles about how man made global warming was going to cause drought. It's turning out to be the catch all for any and every unusual weather phenomenon anywhere.

Because climatic disruption causes strange weather. Like an unusually warm North Pole causes unusually cold winters south of the pole.

No man is an island.

No climate system is, either.

[Xist]

Cosmetic rays?

Is that the latest stupid instagram filter?

[Xist]

The last time that I read about the poles, Arctica was melting, but Antarctica was growing, although not as fast as the north pole was shrinking. However, they expected the south pole to calve, although it was unrelated to global warming.

Now supposedly the ice in Antartica has been melting three times as fast since 2012 and 70% of that is in West Antarctica.

It changed six years ago and they just realized?

I need a neck brace. I am getting whiplash!

So far scientists are not comfortable saying the trend in East Antarctica will continue. It is likely natural variability, not climate change, and East Antarctica is probably going to be stable for a couple decades, said study co-author Joughin.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/melting-antarctica-speeding-worrying-scientists-55867624

[niky]

Originally Posted by Xist

The last time that I read about the poles, Arctica was melting, but Antarctica was growing, although not as fast as the north pole was shrinking. However, they expected the south pole to calve, although it was unrelated to global warming.

Now supposedly the ice in Antartica has been melting three times as fast since 2012 and 70% of that is in West Antarctica.

It changed six years ago and they just realized?

I need a neck brace. I am getting whiplash!



https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/melting-antarctica-speeding-worrying-scientists-55867624

Antarctica was/is growing... but the growth itself was slowing, last I heard.

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It takes a while to interpret all the data, so figuring out the rate of growth/shrinkage isn't clear cut.

Haven't read the links you've posted yet, but my understanding is part is shrinking, but the overall ice cover is increasing. (but again, with a slowing rate of growth... but if that's reversed... welp... yikes)

[oil pan 4]

The reasons given for how the hole in the ozone over Antarctica caused a flood in the east coast of the United state appear to be speculation. Nothing appears to have been tested or measured.

You can't see cosmetic rays.
The aurora is charged low speed particles from the sun during a solar storm. Cosmetic rays infiltrate the earth during a low of solar activity.
Normally the solar wind pushes them away from the inner solar system.
Grand solar minimums allow for sustained periods of cosmic ray exposure.

What records go back thousands of years for the United States?
I'm not aware of any flood gauge cave paintings.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by Xist

The last time that I read about the poles, Arctica was melting, but Antarctica was growing, although not as fast as the north pole was shrinking. However, they expected the south pole to calve, although it was unrelated to global warming.

Now supposedly the ice in Antartica has been melting three times as fast since 2012 and 70% of that is in West Antarctica.

It changed six years ago and they just realized?

I need a neck brace. I am getting whiplash!

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/melting-antarctica-speeding-worrying-scientists-55867624

That was 2014. It was increasing because of the increased precipitation, which is due to increased evaporation.

Now it is melting faster than expected:

Antarctica's Ice Sheets Are Melting 3 Times Faster Than They Were A Decade Ago

You can see the data here:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

And here:

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

[freebeard]

Proper respect to oil pan 4:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q="cosmetic+rays"

I find a handful of other instances of that usage.

https://quizlet.com/89620017/geology...2-flash-cards/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-d...n-rays?share=1

[Xist]

I would not use Quizlet or Quora as a standard for writing or critical thinking. I recently saw "If gravity is real, why do trees grow up?"

Rest assured parents, instead of getting into trouble, your child is merely asking stupid questions.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Xist

Rest assured parents, instead of getting into trouble, your child is merely asking stupid questions.

Those are the only kind of question given our near infinite lack of understanding of the universe. We're MUCH closer to understanding nothing than to understanding everything.