The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

https://eaglerising.com/63729/scient...warming-study/

They made a miatake?
Nope I think it was purposeful deception.
This stuff was supposedly peer reviewed. Does it just get a free pass because it furthers the agenda and the consensus is to just lie when it sounds good?

Yes. While it is easy to find a lot of references to this on climate critics websites, there's very little to be found on more neutral sites...
Is it a conspiracy?

But I found one: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-climat...fic-error.html

Co-author Ralph Keeling, climate scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, took full blame and thanked Lewis for alerting him to the mistake.

Yes, we read that in the critics papers too.

"When we were confronted with his insight it became immediately clear there was an issue there," he said. "We're grateful to have it be pointed out quickly so that we could correct it quickly."

How nice. We know that. Carry on please.

Keeling said they have since redone the calculations, finding the ocean is still likely warmer than the estimate used by the IPCC. However, that increase in heat has a larger range of probability than initially thought—between 10 percent and 70 percent, as other studies have already found.

Hey! That part was missing in the critics reports! Did they not like it?

"Our error margins are too big now to really weigh in on the precise amount of warming that's going on in the ocean," Keeling said. "We really muffed the error margins."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-climat...error.html#jCp

So, the oceans DO in fact heat up faster than the IPCC previously reported.
But it is hard to tell by how much, harder than the report initially suggested.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Vman455

Oh, it's even better than that. There is no "5th Street Church" in Seattle. In fact, there is no 5th Street in Seattle. The avenues are numbered, the streets are named. Even then, there are no churches named after 5th Avenue.

Unbelievable how that escaped careful scrutiny in peer reviews...

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

How's that global warming in new England going for you?

Another interesting stat and possible proof of climate change.
The average number of tornadoes per year is down, way down for the last 4 or 5 yesrs.
I thought we were going to get more tornadoes because of man made global warming?
Man the only consistency with man made global warming is the never ending stream of failed predictions.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/wcm/adj.html
It is true. There were relatively few tornadoes in the USA the last few years.

After inflation correction of course, otherwise it would be right in the middle.

Yet, this is just a 5 year lull in a rising trend, as there have been before:

Of course, tornadoes are just one aspect of the climate and there's no telling exactly how it is related. Even if the trend is rising with the other effects, there's no direct proof these are linked.

[sendler]

Richard Heinberg's latest essay offering his ideas on addressing resource and energy depletion, environmental consequences from consumption and waste streams, world debt, income inequality. Includes several links to further learning opportunities. Learn, think, talk. https://www.resilience.org/stories/2...-civilization/

[oil pan 4]

When 630 billion dollars is at stake (the amount Obama said carbon cap and tax would raise) yes it's a conspiracy.

It was sold to me that tornadoes and sever storms were going to keep getting worse and worse and that it probably wasn't going to slow down, let alone pause or get better.
You know that's why we had to do something now, big emergency, ect, ect, give us all your money and we promise you will feel better.

I already caught the believers in a straight up lie when they tried to say that "there are now more hurricanes than ever". Nope. That was the best one to date because it was so easy proven to be an out right lie.

Looks like the tornado data says the same thing. 1884, wow and only a fraction of tornadoes that happened were ever reported. Until the advent of weather radar the, historically the state with the most reported tornadoes was Massachusetts.
The weather now was nothing like the turn of the last turn of the century.
Definitely proof of climate change, just opposite of what the belivers say is going on now.

[freebeard]

Definitely proof of climate change, just opposite of what the belivers say is going on now.

Disclaimer: Past performance does not guarantee future results.

[oil pan 4]

Wishing won't make it true.

[RedDevil]

You should be able to see there's an enormous variance in the number of tornadoes, much larger than you'd get from random generation. One year sees less than 1000 tornadoes, two years later it is over 1800, then it drops down significantly again.

The reason is that these tornadoes are driven by weather systems that are themselves highly variant. But if you'd take these to a global scale instead of just the USA, you'd get a pretty consistent gradual increase.

And if you take the last graph from my previous post you'd see that trend in the USA too, over 60 years.
Even though 2018 had an exceptionally low number of tornadoes (989) all the years from 1954 to 1972 were even significantly lower than that. 989 would have been an outlier high then.

The 1880s tornadoes were an anomaly. As was the 1883 Krakatoa eruption that disrupted weather globally for several years.
Hmm. A large increase of CO2 and a lot of tornadoes?
Does this not prove the relationship rather than disprove it?

Would that make you accept the number of tornadoes IS actually rising, on a long-term trend, factoring out temporary effects of really big volcanic eruptions?
Or do you prefer to go on ranting about lies and believers while ignoring scientific data and instead dipping into the holy grail of youtube conspiracy videos and Koch funded opinionated websites?

[RedDevil]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/21/c...imes&smtyp=cur

Greenland’s enormous ice sheet is melting at such an accelerated rate that it may have reached a “tipping point,” and could become a major factor in sea-level rise around the world within two decades, scientists said in a study published on Monday.

Just a week ago, a separate study of ice loss in Antarctica found that the continent is contributing more to rising sea levels than previously thought.

Another new analysis suggested that the oceans are warming far faster than earlier estimates. Warming oceans are currently the leading cause of sea-level rise, since water expands as it warms.

(this is not the Keeling analysis criticized by Lewis and corrected for a greater margin of error. It is a newer, independent study.)

While 93% of the heat generated by global warming is absorbed by the oceans, preventing a much faster rise of global temperatures, this also poses a problem: it will take at least 15 times as long to cool down again once the atmosphere has been restored to normal levels. In that light we may already be way past the tipping point; the current ocean temperatures are not going to drop much in the next couple of hundreds of years, so there's no stopping the total collapse of basically all ice sheets and glaciers.

Lies of course?

[oil pan 4]

So global cooling caused by a volcanic eruption caused more tornadoes.... Then man made global warming is supposed to cause more, but it hasn't happened yet, but it will, eventually, which is starting to seem like never.
Mmmm hmmm.
And you wonder why people are skeptical what the global warming scientists are pushing.