The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[RedDevil]

The only thing I see are deniers dreaming up schemes to smoke the obvious.

It isn't easy to get a 60+ mpg tank with a second gen Insight.
I only get a handful of those at best during summer.

But I just got a 61+ mpg tank - in February.
I'm worried.

[oil pan 4]

Ha. The only time I get anywhere close to 60mpg is hauling a load of pallets taller than my leaf.
If you don't drive an electric then you're are not really a believer.

Originally Posted by freebeard

As they say, past results are not a guarantee of future performance.

Beware Climate Change being used as a Trojan Horse for globalist political change. Witness the Green New Deal (also notice how hard it is to be a peace candidate in the Democratic party).

It is.
We know in the United States that most people to include a large portion of the believers refuse to pay more than $10 per month to fix climate change. Only 12% of people are in favor of allowing the government to expand and become big enough to fix climate change. 52% of voters are against putting the government in charge of fixing climate change.

This is the Democrats plan to reelect trump in 2020.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by Taylor95 yesterday

In one of my classes, I had the chance to visit the university's aquaponic system. It was very efficient, with the waste from fish essentially feeding the plants. If something like that was implemented on a large scale, there wouldn't be any food shortages. The system impressed me to the point that I want to build my own. An interesting sidenote is that an analysis of the products showed that they had higher levels of some nutrients than conventionally grown produce.

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/jiml...?cb=1446666375

New Alchemy Institute:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Alchemy_Institute

Their current iteration:
https://newalchemists.net/

There is another underlying
theme, which was borrowed from
the teachings of Taoist science, of
which I was a student, that is
that science not practiced out of a
context of sacredness or
responsibility was a devil's
bargain.
....
We asked ourselves the question: Is it possible to grow the food needs of a small group of people in a small space without harming the environment and without enormous recourse to external sources of energy and materials on a continuing basis? The whole idea was: Could we design a system that is self-sustainable and capable of functioning as a system?

John Todd

Fundamentally you start with the sewer.
The sewer is the background to any plan.

Bernard Maybeck

https://ratical.org/co-globalize/DO_JohnTodd.html

[Taylor95]

Originally Posted by freebeard

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/jiml...?cb=1446666375

New Alchemy Institute:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Alchemy_Institute

Their current iteration:
https://newalchemists.net/


https://ratical.org/co-globalize/DO_JohnTodd.html

I find that very interesting. Thank you for sharing

[RedDevil]

As long as the limiting factor in EV sales is battery production instead of demand, it's better to sell EV's exclusively to those who get nowhere near 60 mpg from their gasser.

I'm all for going all electric, but I should be one of the last to actually buy one?

[oil pan 4]

If you think oil is some how inherently evil then you should be losing sleep if your transportation requires more than a gallon of oil for every few hundred miles to keep functioning.

For example a car tire uses about 7 gallons of oil to produce, so let's round it up to 30 for a set of car tires.
So you're getting around 1,600 to 1,700 miles to the gallon of oil. So don't lose sleep over tires.
If you install a diesel fired fuel heater in your electric car you will probably get at least 500 miles to a gallon, when it's cold out.
The leaf transaxle needs it's oil changed about ever 60,000 miles, it takes 1.5L.....

[RedDevil]

????????

It does not matter where the pollution comes from, just how we can reduce it.
If oil can somehow contribute to a cleaner environment I'm all for it.

If your Leaf is a better EV because of oil in its transaxle that's great. As long as the changed oil does not get wasted, but in the grand scheme of things the 1.5 liter is a shade of the 7500 liter of gas and oils a comparable conventional car would use over the same distance.

As for tires, using oil as a source for carbon black is a matter of economics. What matters is that most of it won't be released into the atmosphere but end up in landfills or gets reused as a mix in with some kinds of tarmac and other uses, replacing other products that also release carbon when they wear.
Again, the amount of carbon released that way is a mere fraction of the fuel a gasser uses. Which also needs tires.

It is nighttime in the US right now. You're the one losing sleep, apparently.

[oil pan 4]

I work nights.

[RedDevil]

Done that in the past, glad I have a regular job today. Except for this evening, we have a physical file server to migrate - for the last time.

[redpoint5]

What hypervisor?